PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – After Roy Halladay’s second consecutive poor outing for the Phillies, just about everyone was surprised when Halladay said he’s been having pain in his shoulder. And ‘everyone’ includes both general manager Ruben Amaro and manager Charlie Manuel.

“I guess he was trying to keep it quiet because he thought he could pitch through it,” Manuel told Talk Radio 1210’s Chris Stigall on Monday. “Yeah, because then more than likely he wouldn’t have pitched [if Manuel had known he was hurt]. If he’s hurt, and he’s got pain, we don’t do that. He wouldn’t have pitched.”

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Many have suggested that Halladay was not only hurting himself by going out there and continuing to pitch, but hurting the team because he’s unable to perform. Manuel doesn’t think Halladay does it selfishly. “I think he actually thinks he can go out there and pitch and compete. I do. He doesn’t do it to hurt me, or to hurt the team or anything like that,” he said. “I don’t like it, but at the same time, I do like the fact that he’s competitor, and he’s trying to give it everything he’s got.”

After Manuel found out Halladay had been pitching through pain, he said he didn’t talk to the two-time Cy Young award winner about it.

“No, he was real busy. He was on the plane. I didn’t see him, I mean I saw him walk by me, but he went in the back there,” Manuel said.  “When Ruben and I talked, and I found out exactly what was going on, I kind of looked back and it looked like he was asleep and I didn’t want to bother him.”