Ravens Kicking Consultant Can’t Rule Out New England Patriots Cheating In AFC Championship

January 24, 2012 11:21 AM

Reporting Angelo Cataldi and The Morning Team

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PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Billy Cundiff didn’t know what down it was on Sunday when he rushed on to the field to try and kick a game tying field goal in the AFC Championship game, and it wasn’t his fault.

Baltimore Ravens kicking consultant Randy Brown told Angelo Cataldi and The Morning Team today on 94 WIP that the scoreboard in New England was incorrect during that final drive. “The scoreboard was one down behind, the entire last three plays, from what we understand,” Brown said. That caused Billy Cundiff to have to rush on to the field with just seconds left on the play clock to try and make the kick, which he missed.

When Cataldi asked Brown if he thought the Patriots did it it on purpose to gain an advantage, Brown replied, “I don’t think you can rule anything out in New England, can you?”

The Patriots were fined $250,000 and coach Bill Belichick fined $500,000 for violating league rules in 2007, when they were found to have videotaped the New York Jets defensive coaches giving signals.

Brown said that despite Cundiff missing the kick, the Ravens were still supporting each other. “The unity which we have, it’s really hard to describe it,” Brown said. “Very similar to that unity we had in Philadelphia (in 2004) when we went to the Super Bowl.” He also added that the players know they may not have even been in that game if not for Cundiff. “If it wasn’t for Billy Cundiff, and Ray Lewis, Joe Flacco, different times during the year, we wouldn’t have won 12 games,” Brown said.

LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW WITH RANDY BROWN:

Ravens Kicking Consultant Cant Rule Out New England Patriots Cheating In AFC Championship

conor

he never had control of the call..

conor

*ball in the endzone.. regarding the ravens last catch in the endzone that was incomplete.. this was meant to be a reply comment.. don’t know why it posted it at the top

KPC

wow… really? Try not to choke on those sour grapes.
cordstreet

Patriots cheating, so what new?

Hannah Abbott

Is English your second language? Take a grammar class. . .. remedial grammar comes to mind.

craig toensing

Sounds like the kicking consultant is either trying to salve the kicker’s feelings or draw attention away from his own poor consulting.
RJ

The Ravens played cheapshot football the entire game and still lost.

What a bunch of crybabies.

Don

Show one cheap shot by the Ravens that entire game, not three or four, just one. You can’t. Now, go ballwash Brady.

JakeH

How about Lewis drilling Brady in the back with his helmet for one
jb2817

Or the play when Green-Ellis’ helmet was ripped off and a Ravens defender ( sorry I don’t remember his name) target Green-Ellis’ head with his own helmet. Maybe you should ball wash Flacco.
Carol

How about the Ravens “touchdown” where the player was leading the Patriots player by the face mask? That should have negated the play and the Ravens should have gotten a face mask penalty.

J.V.

In 2007, the New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined by the NFL the maximum of $500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent’s defensive signals. The NFL has fined the Patriots prior to 2007, incuding spying prior to 2007, but apparently these fines are not high enough for Belichick & the Krafts to play fair and under NFL rules. The NFL should have taken away those championships – then, maybe, Belichick & Kraft would get the message.

Len

Wah wah wah
JakeH

They were never fined before 2007 for spying. Get the facts jealous boy.
Howie Cheatham

Envy and jeaousy are such ugly emotions. The sticks about 10 feet away from Harbaugh were correct and he looked at them several times in the final minute.
Wide Left

Are you a professional whining consultant?
BKS

Didnt Mangina who developed the filming process for the PATS when he was there blow the whistle on this? Where is that arse hole these days?
oklahomabound

Hey J.V. Tool, the fine was not for video taping the other teams signals, there is no rule against that and all teams do it, the fine was for doing the video taping at field level rather than from the booth up above where it is legal. All that video taping did was give the Pats a field level view of the same video that teams are leaglly able to tape from, and do tape from, the booth.
MikeO

a jets fan maybe?…… maybe a foot fetish thrown in for a heel? whoops putting a foot in the mouth again..me bad!

Nick Cignetti

If the coaching staff can’t keep track of the downs that tells you all you need to know. Quit playing the Obamination game and get lost.

Dbmalkie6

Interesting the article falls to mention the manner in which the Raven’s coaches treated this kicker before he went out to the field. Maybe…Just maybe if they had been a little more civil in their interactions, the kicker may have made it. It doesn’t speak must about the coaching staff when they blame someone else for what their own actions may have caused.

Rich

Sounds like Richard Daley is working for the Patriots now that Al Gore lost a single election five times.
Rich

Dear highly paid fartcatcher consultant,
You’ll find sympathy in the dictionary between $hit & syphillis.
Good luch in the offseason.
Rich

This isn’t a story. It shouldn’t be treated as one.

frankie

You’re right! I will just mention, that a team shouldn’t rely on a kicker to save a team anyway. They were losing and that is how it ended.

Okieflyover

Coach should have called timeout. Was the number of itmeouts wrong too?

howard ingber

I agree 100%

F@CK_NFL

Nothing SUPER about this one, it’s the east coast cronies/thugs/low-lifes playing each other. Glad I have a life and won’t be watching any of the nonsense.

Don

Yet, you read about it. What does that say about you?
Howie Cheatham

Somewhere sheep are getting very nervous, Mr “have a life”.
oklahomabound

Sitting around in your mons basement jacking off to a poster of your teams QB playing golf while real teams are playing in the SB does not qualify as having a life.

AL Phresceaux

If your coach doesn’t know what down you’re on, you need a coach.
Oldfortman

Patroits were cheaters in the past so who would not think they might do it again?

kmrod

maybe becuase the patriots don’t keep the scoreboard?
caperick

If your disobeying a rule the same way EVERYONE ELSE is; is it really cheating or is it just keeping everyone on a level playing field? Just sayin’

truther

the game was officiated VERY poorly on many different instances, this doesn’t suprize me, once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater

trapper

stop sucking your thumb and behave like a man, you crybaby.

Rich

LOOK AT MEEEEE!
I AM A “JOURNALIST” IN NEED OF ATTENTION.
I GET TO MAKE UP NEWS IF I WISH!
I DON’T CHECK FACTS.
LOOK AT MEEEE!

The NFL runs the scoreboard bevis.
Richard Ledbetter

Interesting. I remarked while watching the game that Cundiff appeared to be running onto the field at the last minute. He didn’t seem have time to go through the usual pre-kick ritual.

I’m a Chiefs fan without a dog in the fight.

Super16

I’m a Saints fan and the Ravens are a bunch of crybabies.

Greg

ummm….there was a time out left. if the kicker was confused or unaware, the coach should have called the time out to set the play up. should have called a time out anyways…
mrsharfer

True or not, the Pats are notorious for cheating, drug use and general thuggery.

trapper

prove anyone those charges three ring do not lie.
Tim Ferguson

And the Ratbirds are notorious for choking in the playoffs and leaving a timeout on the board when the kicker was “rushing” onto the field. He had 15 seconds once he started to get ready for the kick. Plenty of time. The fact is the coachng staff for the Ratbirds were screaming for the kicker 3 plays before all of this went down so he would be ready.If the rest of the field goal team was out there what was the idiot kicker doing? Answer…choking.
Yup

Exactly..they cheat, everyone knows it. Drugs, spying, thuggery, scoreboard manipulation..that’s probably only the tip of the iceberg.
Not A Patriots Fan

Please define and state the facts of the Patriots drug use and general thuggery.

Thank you

reason

his job is to kick the ball between the bars no matter what down it is…………………..
Robert E.

So, a coach couldn’t keep track on the field and it’s the Patriots fault?

There is a reason why the referees use the “Dial-A-Down” stick. That’s the official Down marker, not the scoreboard.

truther

i guess you forget the 5 downs given in a college game. mistakes happen.

Tim Cherkassky

No excuses. They could have and SHOULD have timed it out. Ravens lost it.

truther

yeah tahst the point the ravens lost, the pats didn’t win, and based on this the ravens were helped to loose by pats personnel. how is this team still allowed to play footbal/

fubarus

Same way your are still allowed to use a keyboard even though you clearly don’t have a command of English?
Bill Belichick

It was a hard fought, well earned victory…Come bask in our glory.
Robrert

the patriots had more points before the missed kick, and if the kick was made, blatimore still wouldn’t have more points… so how exactly did the patritos not win?

TJG

Either that or Cundiff missed the kick because he has an inferior kicking consultant.
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sam m

ooooppps “people”, I was disstracted by the scoreboard and spelled the word wrong. Those freaking Pats are at it again.
Also where is Spector these days, he needs to file a compliant in DC to stop thsoe darn Pats!
Teresa R

ravens are in Maryland –PA.. your bad.
sam m

Teresa R Maybe you should look a tthe very top of the article before spouting your words of wisdom. The author of the article is in what city and state? It takes a bitter Philly fan to bring a joke to print. So please save your geography lessons. This is an adult slam and meant to look deeper in the broken mental status of all PA fans.
JW

Your team lost, get over it. They lost becuase they suck and the Patriots won because ,,,THEY SUCK.
bayareajim

you are correct – most morons dont get this fact – the Ravens won the game when they scored that touchdown. Once the reciever has control of the ball in the endzone it is a touchdown – PERIOD It cant be fumbled or stripped – PERIOD.
truther

no one respects you bill. when you cheat and win you dont really win, we all know what happened.
JakeH

two feet my friend. even evans said he didnt catch it
Marty Culleton

Watched that play a bunch of times – it was close. What’s really moronic is that he was already loosening his grip on the ball when it got stripped. Bang-bang play, good defense!!
nhshoals

Hey dope, the pass isn’t completed until the play is completed and control of the ball is established. Not even Harbaugh sought to challenge the play and the refs didn’t think so either. in slow-mo it looks like a catch, but at full speed itwas not controlled. Fools like you dont know the game.
Charlie

That’s what I thought also, but there have been several really bad calls in these playoff games. The Giants have had a few bad calls, but they hung in there and are going to Super Bowl. So I guess things workout the way there suppose to be.
Dan

The operative phrase is “control of the ball”, which he never demonstrated. Just admit they were not even good enough to be like the Bill’s and lose 4 times in a row (at the superbowl).
jb2817

Thing is he didn’t have control moron, I weep for you.
Watchingwowhining

I think it’s pretty clear even to us morons – “A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds. To gain possession of a loose ball that has been caught, intercepted or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet completely on the ground inbounds or any other part of his body, other than his hands, on the ground inbounds. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession. This rule applies to the field of play and in the end zone.”
PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD – No catch. Get over it.. :-)
nhshoals

Oh no a truther, are you part of the “Occupy” movement. The only thing you can occupy is the toilet in the morning, and your intelligence swirls around the bowl and disappears.
Robrert

everybody cheats truther, even your team, just not every team wins. everyone in new england and all of the media respects Bill, and knows that he is by far the greatest coach ever. you know it too, but are too much of a whining gaye to admit it.
Hannah Abbott

Jealous much, loser?
Brandon

Awww, poor little girl. You probably don’t even know what a first down is.
Wally

idiot.
Mike

there are these big red things on each sideline with numbers on them, they are called DOWN MARKERS>>>>>
Robrert

exactly! The score board is there for the fans in the stands, not the teams coaches. Look at the down markers.
SgtCombatSanta

That is correct Mike…Also, as stated the Scoreboard is for the Fans so they can keep up with the game.

The down, distance and time is OFFICIALLY kept on the field…I’m not a Pats fan by any means, but Ravens fans, jeeeeesh, get some perspective and then try and get a life.
Tom pierucci

“like”
Sean Womersley

Living in Maryland it’s the same thing every year. Same thing when they last made the AFC title game, nothing but a bunch of excuses after they lost. And it’s also amazing how many Ravens “fans” disappear after a playoff loss.
susan villarreal

WOW, why would you come on this site just to lie. I have lived in the Balto vicinity for 45 years. Whether the Colts or Ravens they are the best fans in good times and bad. You are a nutcase.
Craig Vale

It’s like the kid who kills his parents then asks the judge to go easy on him because he’s an orphan.
Sean Womersley

A nutcase who is watching a bunch of Ravens fans whine and cry. There are quite a few who are loyal dogs and I respect that. But amazing how Baltimore and its surrounding areas are almost a sea of purple. Then around my work near Ft. Meade, Columbia, and Laurel you see how much a significant decrease of these so-called “fans”. I know what I see, move out of the sticks.
MikeO

We all know it was Myra, who pushed the field goal away from the uprights. by the way her initials are proudly displayed on the jerseys of the patriots players. in case you missed the first TD, when he grabbed his shirt BTW proudly, in recognition of bob kraft’s wife whom the team dedicaded the season to. people hate the competance of both BB and TB and the dedication of all the players on this 2012 team… when they went 16/0 they cheated all those games too? wow…..all on this board would have an erection (sorry to the females foreplay for you) if, Bill B came to coach a team near you…… ok, a woody for all, since there is only one BB and one bob kraft!
kat

go pats and thank you myra. thanks for the great season and we still have one to go!!!!
Penthouse Pauper

To LA Garcia…

Please tell us how they cheated. Also, how are they a bunch of sore losers?

Thank you.