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‘Keep Christ In Christmas’ Sign Stirs Controversy In South Jersey Town

By Robin Rieger

PITMAN, N.J. (CBS) — Some residents of a South Jersey town are calling a Knights of Columbus banner that hangs over Broadway in Pitman, a sign of the season.

It reads “Keep Christ in Christmas.”

“I think it’s wonderful, Christ is Christmas,” said Maria Marandino of Vineland.

Some unnamed residents who live in Pitman and who believe the sign that hangs across Main Street violates the Constitution, contacted the Freedom from Religion Foundation in Wisconsin that promotes separation of church and state. The group’s consultant told Eyewitness News by phone that they’ve asked the town to remove the sign.

“It’s a group endorsing religion over a public right of way,” said Andrew Seidel, the group’s constitutional consultant.

The town’s mayor says the sign is attached to private property and hanging over a county road.

“I think it’s a sad state of affairs that our country, we kowtow to the minority and not the majority of people who like that sort of thing to stay,” said Mayor Michael Batten.

Some residents say a nativity scene was removed from a Christmas display because the park it was displayed in is Pitman’s property.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation says they will look for private property in Pitman now to hang their sign, which reads:

“At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” said Seidel.

Anna Dora Shipley said the sign has been hung every Christmas in the 45 years she’s been here. She doesn’t like the Foundation’s sign but says they have a right to put it up.

“Just don’t take mine down,” said Shipley.

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One Comment

  1. Liberal Ratface says:

    The things people get themselves worked up over. Some people believe in God. Some people do not. Neither one of them is “right” or “wrong”, because these are simply opinions that really cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. The problems manifest themselves when one side INSISTS on proving the other side wrong. Hint: you can’t.

    If the folks in Pitman who put up the sign believe it God and want to express it in that way, so be it, if (as stated) there are no public funds or governing bodies involved. If someone else chooses to not believe, they are free to do so. Who cares?

    The one point I will agree with is that government should not be sticking its nose in religion for ANY reason. Doesn’t belong there. So just relax and let it be already. There are more important things to argue about when people are struggling and starving right here in South Jersey.

    P.S. It’s a proven fact that the biggest prejudices are against atheists rather than against people of any religion. And that is a shame.

    1. sam8131 says:


      No wonder you need conservatives to protevt you.

  2. Carolyn says:

    It’s such a PITY for the non-believers, because Christ means no harm to anyone, regardless whether they believe or not!!! Cosideration of others goes a L O N G L O N G W A Y, what about the ones, who do appreciate CHRIST on displays on public property…

  3. noname says:

    if you don’t believe in God and other’s do. what’s the problem? i don’t think they are out to convert you but you are certainly out to convert them and change the way they do things. Christmas celebration makes people happy (and retailers, and oovernment because they get the day off) also. do your history on Pitman. it was founded by a religious group and was their summer retreat. so it can be looked at as a historical heritage point of view. if you don’t like it don’t live there, don’t shop there but leave people in peace.

  4. DonS. says:

    The fact remains that Jesus of Nazareth is a histyorical figure who the majority of Americans celebrate. Should the government also ban the Fourth of Ju;ly to spare the tender feelings of Royalists?

  5. MaryM says:

    No matter what you believe:
    1 – This banner is attached on private property
    2 – It was purchased by the Knights of Columbus, not taxpayer funds
    3 – It was erected by and will be removed by volunteers.
    4 – No borough funds or employee time was involved.
    5 – Christmas is the celebration of CHRIST’s birth.
    6 – A couple of people that won’t even identify themselves took their complaint to the Freedom from Religion Foundation in Wisconsin. If they feel that strongly, they should stand up and identify themselves here in Pitman.
    7 – No one is forcing anyone to celebrate Christmas or go to church or become a Christian or buy Christmas presents.
    8 – Many other banners are placed in that same location. No one complains about Craft Fairs, or Crop hunger Walks or Chicken Barbecues or the Firemen’s carnival. All are purchased by an organization then put up and removed by the same volunteers.
    9 – If it bothers you that much, you don’t have to drive on the street that has that banner.
    10 – Complaining about that banner has resulted in an abundance of “Keep CHRIST in Christmas” signs posted on front lawns (private property) all over town. Even the rocks themselves are crying out!

    1. adalai.khamsin says:

      @MaryM please give proof the Jesus was born on December 25th. I would like to read whatever versus that you are reading from. If you are NOT referring to any verse in the Bible, then what are you referring from?

      1. Rob says:

        Mary did not state that ‘Jesus’ was born on December 25th. She stated that Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth. Whether or not he was born on that date or even born at all .. that is the definition of Christmas.

      2. adalai.khamsin says:

        @Rob Since you pointed out that Mary stated that Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth, which Christ’s birth are we celebrating? There are many forms of Christianity, but only form that I see is that of Jesus. Why is that?

      3. Bernie Ernst says:

        Establishment of dates for Christmas or many other recognized holidays is relative. Also the change from the Gregorian calendar to the Julian calendar further skewed record keepers – just ask any genealogists! More recently, the Declaration of Independence was actually voted on July 2, 1776; was not officially signed until August 2nd; and due to a printer’s error the last signer, Thomas McKean of Delaware, did not sign until January 1777. So why do we celebrate our Independence on July 4th???

      4. sam8131 says:

        Because the 4th is the actual day the Declaration of Independence was actually voted on and approved by Congress.

  6. Levi Melhorn says:

    Ceilidh, Lets leave all religion and lack there of out of this conversation. Can you tell me why you are so quick to be offended by everything that is directed to you. No need to answer, it was a rhetorical question. You do so because of your firm convictions that God, Buddha and Muhammad either don’t exist or were nothing more then mere advanced mortals. I’m sure if you were born in the early 1700’s you would be just as convinced that space travel was impossible and anyone who believed otherwise was foolish. I wonder, do you believe in aliens?? Let’s just say you didn’t. Now, let’s just say they showed up and your belief changed. If they had proof that they created the human race would you believe them? I already know your answer would be yes with a bunch of “buts” following it. How easily it is to sway the belief of some one who has no belief. I’m sure if you were born in the early 1300’s you like most others would have believed the earth was flat. You woulda’ been wrong about that one also. It seems like people like you need to be wrong. You strive for it and hope for it. The smartest man on the planet to date would be Einstein, agreed? What were his beliefs, some of the most intellectual people to ever live believed in things that were not yet proven. The basis of there belief was faith……You need faith ….maybe not in God but in something.

    1. Ceilidh says:

      Levi, I believe you have me confused with someone else as I have shown neither offence nor stated that my opinion was correct or that I have faith in nothing. I do have Faith. I have Faith in Science and in the Earth.

      Why so quick to state that simply because one does not believe in your view that they do not believe in anything or are easily swayed? Does it make you feel stronger in your belief to think only the weak and ignorant can stray from Christianity? I know many an intellectual liberal or green party non-believer that would beg to differ. I find it ironic that when a non-Christian discusses their side of an issue – they are automatically coming to the defence yet when a believer states (dare I say defends) their side, fellow Christians give them a hearty “Amen!”

      As I’ve said in several other statements – “I see both sides of every issue.” but do not mistake my kindness for weakness. I am stronger in my beliefs and my values than most people could boast about their own. Simply because I choose not to push my views on others does not – in any way – make my mind easily changed. As I stated in a previous comment – “It all comes down to respect for everyone.” It matters little which God we do or do not believe and what we have “faith” in as long as we live as good human beings while we are here on Earth.

      By the way, Einstein was an Agnostic. Just thought you may be interested in knowing..

      “I do not believe in the god of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.” — Albert Einstein, 1955.

      “I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.” — Albert Einstein, 1949.

      “The idea of a personal god is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.” — Albert Einstein, 1946.

    2. Kari says:

      Who cares if people decide to celebrate Christmas? Who cares if they put the banner up? Why does anyone care if people chose to celebrate whatever they want? They don’t represent my beliefs either but I don’t have to write a book on a comment board to prove my point or try to appear firm in my beliefs and convictions. Enough already. You come across as being desperate to prove your point when there is really no sense in trying to do so.

      1. Ceilidh says:

        Kari, someone asked me a question and I answered thoroughly. If that comes off desperate to you, then I believe you should rethink your contribution to society.

        Secondly, if you looked so deeply into my comments, you would have seen that I stated I cared very little about the sign but was more concerned that people whom complain about others not saying “Merry Christmas” will not accept a “Happy Holidays” from people whom choose to use that terminology. You would have also seen that I have more Christians friends than any other type and that I gladly say Merry Christmas to them without a care in the world.

        Now, don’t you feel badly for being judgemental when you knew nothing of me?Or is that just the way you practice your beliefs? Attempting cruelty towards your fellow man…

  7. SV says:

    If gays can publicly “celebrate” in the streets of Philly, then Christmas-celebraters should be able to celebrate a banner over the street in New Jersey. Get tired of everyone enjoying “free speech” until one mentions the name of God or Jesus.

    1. Mary Bauer says:

      SV-you could not have said it any better!!!!!!! Very true!

  8. mattmchugh says:

    The problem with these atheists sign makers is they don’t have a nice, pithy slogan. “Keep Christ in Christmas” or “Jesus is the Reason for the Season” … that works on a banner. They need something snappier, like “Take Back Solstice!” or maybe “Christianity is Paganism 2.0” or something like that.

    1. Kari says:

      LOL I agree totally! I’m not pagan but truth is truth.

    2. Ceilidh says:

      I’m so happy to see someone with some knowledge (and humour) on this comment thread! :-)

  9. Bernie Ernst says:

    It’s The Reason For The Season!

    With respect to the private sign in Pitman, NJ reminding Christians to “Keep Christ in Christmas”, this sign, belonging to Knights of Columbus Council 6247, harms no one; disrespects no one; condemns no one – hates no one.

    Statements by President Ronald Reagan are back in the press these days. Suddenly he is being quoted in a bi-partisan fervor that did not exist when he was alive. I feel the following is on point:

    On March 8, 1983, addressing the Annual Convention of the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando, Florida, President Reagan stated, “Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. When our Founding Fathers passed the First Amendment, they sought to protect churches from government interference. They never intended to construct a wall of hostility between government and the concept of religious belief itself.”

    This is not a situation of us versus them. Good will toward all men (and women) and Merry CHRISTmas!

    Bernard J. Ernst
    Toms River, NJ 08757

  10. Mark says:

    @ Ceilidh you made only 2 mistakes in the comments that i read of yours of the latter . there is no If that Jesus existed and that you have always been a pagan by the very nature of the holy roman catholic church is duplicitous as were our founding fathers . there are only 2 camps either you are with Christ or you are with Satan . there is no fence only deception.

    1. Ceilidh says:

      Actually Mark, those are not mistakes. Those are matters of *your* opinion. Just as religion and lack thereof are matters of opinion because *none* of us know what happens when we die.

      Furthermore, stating that you are ultimately right and I am wrong is just the kind of thing that leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths about some Christians – though not all. I have plenty of wonderful Christian friends who make other Christians look good. People like you, make them seem heartless and full of hatred. I won’t hold it against you as I know that not every Christian is like you.

      Secondly, Pagans do not believe that Satan exists. I cannot worship someone that I think is a made up entity for others to use as a scapegoat when they act like detestable human beings. Saying a Pagan worships Satan is like saying that an Atheist worships God.

      I choose to do good in my life and it is my choice. People whom choose to act like deplorable “human beings”…? Well, that certainly is not Satan’s fault. It’s their choice and the fault of their own. Just as you choosing to tell someone how to think and feel is not Satan’s fault and it certainly wasn’t the way your God wanted you to act..that was *your* choice.

      1. Man Demon says:

        Thank you! Finally a voice of logic and reason. Once you take away their tool of fear, they’re neutered. Good work my friend!

  11. ReallyOld Ogre says:

    I know this wont help Philly unless someone wants to start a petition of their own. But please sign mine for Texas!
    I dont know if this will help the people in Athens Texas but I would like to try, I have never done anything like this before so any help i can get would be great! I am not a church goer or anything. Just dont like the idea of a group of people wreaking things for others just to push their agenda. Leave the holidays alone please.

  12. John says:

    Accept you new programming Borg-sters! Christ’s name is not allowed to be
    spoken or read, it seems to offend some groups. Like holy water, crucifixes and sunshine to old-time movie vampires, these people are really bothered by this name. Interesting. It has nothing to do with separation of church and state and everything to do with controlling what you can see, hear or choose to believe.

  13. Steve says:

    It’s too bad this article didn’t have more in the way of voices from people in the middle. Just the extremes.

    I think a lot of the atheists and secular people shoot themselves in the foot when they’re so militantly anti-religion.

    Yes, a lot of bad things have been done in the name of religion, but a lot of good things have been done as well. The same is true without religion. People do both good and bad without or without a god.

    I’m personally not a Christian, but I think it’s great for people who find it brings fulfillment to their lives. Same with any other faith. Of course it’d be my preference that their faith not preach hate towards others, but that’s their right if they choose that.

    Regarding the sign, I think it’s a fine sign for those who want to celebrate their belief in Christ as Lord and Savior, though I agree it should be displayed on a church or other private property and not on public property. Of course there are a lot more pressing issues, but I digress…

    1. Ceilidh says:

      I agree with you for the most part. That being said, I do not think other belief systems (or lack thereof) would be as quick to be anti-religion if they were not being treated like miscreants, sinners and murderers.

      I, myself am on the fence about nearly everything. I adore my Christian, Catholic, Jewish etc. friends and have no worries when they state “Merry Christmas” to me but if they were to sneer at my “Happy Holidays” we would have a talk.
      That is the issue I think most run into here. Many religious people have an issue with a well intentioned “Happy Holidays” yet they believe that they have every right to say “Merry Christmas” – all the while persecuting others for their choice of words and/or beliefs. It all comes down to respect for everyone.

      1. Darlene Morabito says:

        Well said Ceilidh! I agree with you 100%. I am a humanist who was brought up as a Catholic. I say “Merry Christmas” on Christmas Day, but I regard it as a secular holiday. I also say “Happy Holidays” throughout the season. It’s sad to me that I can’t state my non-belief publicly. There is such a bias that non-believers must be evil. My thought is, non-believers can’t afford to be evil, because they know that this life is all they get! Happy Holidays to you!

      2. verheek says:

        Yeah well check your religions. Maybe you’d like to be in the untouchable caste.

  14. Ceilidh says:

    The only thing that Christians do by stating that “Christ is Christmas” is show lack of education about their own religion.
    Christ (if he in fact existed) was supposed to have been born in September – not December. What Christians (i.e. Constantine the Great) did, was take a Pagan holiday (The Winter Solstice) alter dates and tweak it into a Christian holiday so that people would be more apt to either convert or to find common ground. Even Constantine himself – a Pagan until being baptised on his death bed – stated that organised religion was a way to keep people in line.
    Christians did same with Easter (or Ostara)- named after a Pagan Goddess Eastur or Ostare (though there are many other variations) – falls on the day of the Spring Equinox and symbolises fertility…hence, rabbits and eggs. It makes quite a bit of sense if you think logically.
    Besides that – several founding fathers not only stated that America was NOT founded on the Christian religion but also that they themselves did not study nor practice the bible. Therefore separation of church and state is a given.

    1. John says:

      What founders are you referring too? Do you even know what the founders believed? I would read their writings then re-think your sentence.

      1. Ceilidh says:

        It would be so easy for you to believe that I were an ignorant little girl with no sense, wouldn’t it John?

        Unfortunately, you’re out of luck in that department. I was raised by a raging right wing Conservative Catholic and still, I’m Pagan on the fence. But I made sure to keep my education on both sides of every issue for just such a case as this.

        I will give you examples of founding fathers *and* former presidents of the United States. I’ll make sure to label them to make it perfectly clear.

        “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” — George Washington, founding father.

        “I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.” — Thomas Jefferson, founding father.

        “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it.” — John Adams, 2nd president of the U.S.

        “What have been the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution.” — James Madison (4th president of the U.S.)

        “The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.” — Abraham Lincoln.

        How about an inventor or two?

        “I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal god.” — Thomas Edison.

        “I do not believe in the god of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.” — Albert Einstein, 1955.

        “I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.” — Albert Einstein, 1949.

        “The idea of a personal god is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.” — Albert Einstein, 1946.

        I would wager a bet that you loved Einstein before today.

        I should also mention, John that I was raised Catholic, attended CCD, made my communion, went to Christian mission camps and attended Christian schools (up to high school) before converting to Paganism.

        Unfortunately, I’m just the kind of person that ruins your day. I know not only what I’m speaking about but have lived as a Christian. I know the ins and outs all too well…which is why I denounced it.

    2. Jay Kravette says:

      I totally agree with you and have been saying the same thing now for a few years after my eyes were opened to the truth of this so-called holiday being created by man(I think Wal-Mart and Hallmark were involved somehow)and has no spiritual significance whatsoever as you so succinctly put it. Same goes for easter. If people would only research thi,which is so easy to do in our information age,they would see the folly of their belief but alas most people are so blinded by what has been taught as the gospel that they are blinded to the truth.

    3. verheek says:

      It’s sad that in all your religious education you never found Christ. You are a pagan along with all the rest who don’t know him. Sad, sad, sad. I don’t care what man or woman’s opinions are about the existence of Christ. He exists and is there to find if you seek a relationship with him.

      1. Ceilidh says:

        And I think it’s terribly disappointing that you assume to know anything about any one person simply because their opinion differs from your own, verheek.

        In fact, I would wager a guess that if you and I met in the street – without ever so much as mentioning our beliefs – and we spoke and compared notes about the charities I give to, the children I feed, the endless Salvation Army donations, the clothing donations exclusively given to the church I attended as a child, the animals I’ve helped save, my advocacy for children who are bullied in schools, the time I’ve volunteered to those less fortunate – you would adore me and think of me as your equal. The only thing that makes you “sad” for me and the only thing that makes us differ is that you believe in God and I believe in the Earth’s natural process.

        In fact, I do not care about the sign itself. The issue I have is that others complain that they cannot say “Merry Christmas” whilst telling others they are “bleeding heart liberals” and “ignorant” for saying “Happy Holidays”. I will gladly tell someone “Merry Christmas” with a smile but it’s when they scoff at my “Happy Holidays” that makes me wonder whom is the one making a big deal about something so trite.

        My Christian friends love me for I do not push my values on them and they do not push theirs on me. We respect each other and love each other for the human beings that we are…not for which God we may or may not believe in. If you knew the true nature of your religion, you would know that “Love Thy Neighbour” does not put restrictions on which religion (or lack thereof) said neighbour may practise.

        Don’t feel sad for me, verheek. I am living my dreams, helping those who need help and I enjoy every single second of my life. I am grateful every day upon waking that I am here another day to help people and help others become more positive.

        Please, save your prayers for those whom truly need them.

  15. Matt says:

    ‘“I think it’s a sad state of affairs that our country, we kowtow to the minority and not the majority of people who like that sort of thing to stay,” said Mayor Michael Batten.’

    No, you moron, that is precisely why our government was set up to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

    I don’t really care about the sign, and if it’s put up on private property than there really should be no controversy about it at all. But when a government official doesn’t understand basic fundamental tenets of American democracy, something is seriously wrong.

    1. verheek says:

      So why should he kowtow to your wishes and take it down? If God exists, you better explain yourself.

  16. huey says:

    Keep Christ in Christmas,I support that.Leave the banner up throughout the holiday then moan,gripe,whine about it later.Have some cheese with that whine.

    1. Lewis says:

      100% Agree. I am tired of the religious minorities (Jews and Mormons) always wanting the government to stop playing favorites in picking religions. They should just accept this is a Christian nation and convert already!

      1. adam says:

        Wow. Just wow. What evidence do you have that either Jews or Mormons have wanted “the government to stop playing favorites in picking religions”? This article is about a particular group of atheists, the freedom from religion foundation. Perhaps you might want to read the article before you post comments like that. It falls under the whole idea of check your facts and think before you speak. Merry Christmas.

      2. Matthew says:

        “the united states of america is in no part based on any religion”- the treaty of Tripoli, unanimously signed by our founding fathers, and is part of the constitution

      3. sam8131 says:

        Another uneducated b00b on the loose!

        In 1892, Justice Josiah David Brewer writing in Church of the Holy Trinity vs. U.S., the unanimous supreme Court decision which has never been overturned, held as a matter of law, fact, and history that “…this is a Christian nation,” because our laws and public institutions are founded on Biblical principles from the Old and New Testaments. Brewer continues, “this is
        historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation…we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth…this is a Christian nation.”
        There is an official foundation of American law and civil government; a Canon if you will which must include consideration of at least four separate decisions of the U.S. supreme Court which assert that the United States is in law, fact and history and should thus properly be termed officially a “Christian Nation” because of the foundation of our laws upon principles of the Ten Commandments and the Old and New Testaments. Those Court decisions include Vidal v. Girard’s Executors, 2 How. 127, 197-199 (1844) [cited in Marsh v. Chambers and Abinton v. Schempp]; Mormon Church v. United States, 136 U.S. 1 (1889), [also cited in Abington v. Schempp]; Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892); and U.S. v. MacIntosh 283 U.S. 605 (1931).

        Probably too much for your brain to digest. You may want to study that single treaty a little more. Like it’s purpose, intent and actual interpertation.

      4. oscarf says:

        You, like others before you, are incorrectly citing what Brewer said as the controlling ruling in that court case, which it is not. It was a dispute over an employment contract. Here’s what he said in his book, The United States: A Christian Nation:

        “But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. […] Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions.”

      5. sam8131 says:

        I am not misiting Brewer. It is a fact. While Brewer calls this nation a christian nation he in no way says the government supports the christian religion. He states that our laws are based on christian ethos. He does not call for government to support any one religion. All religions should be treated equally like people should be treated equally.

  17. Ray A says:

    Pitman stand firm! Mayor please don’t back down and I agree with the majority that we need to take this country back and teach our kid to do the same. Keep Jesus Christ in Christmas. I moved here from NY and now live in Clayton and I will stand with Pitman against those un-named individual who take issue with good wholesome Christian values.

    1. Betsy says:

      Right on Ray! I am tired of people saying government employees should not be showing favoritism to particular religions. As long as the signs match my Christian beliefs, they are fine with me!

      …I really don’t want Mormon or Catholic signs though. I don’t agree with those

  18. Ol504Troop says:

    Separation of church and state is a fallacy pushed onto us by the ACLU, socialists, and liberals on the Supreme Court. NOWHERE in the US Constitution does it say ANYTHING to reflect this notion. In fact, not only does the Declaration of Independence, but the Preamble of every State in the Union refers to Almighty God, or the Supreme Being. That should tell all of the non-believers that this IS a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles, and that is what the founding fathers intended and believed in. Islam sure as heck does not believe in freedom of ANY other religion, so if we allow other views to change the basic tenets of this great nation’s basis, God help us all, because no one, NOT ANYONE will have the same freedoms granted us by the beliefs of our ancestors.

    1. Bill O says:

      I agree. Madison and Jefferson where clearly trying to establish a christian theocracy. I am tired of the communist liberals trying to pick their own religions. Become a believer in Christ or go live in Canada!

      1. TomPaine says:

        I agree I am tired of this country sticking up for the minority religions. We should do this more like England and just pick one Christian denomination and make it the official church of the U.S.

      2. Ceilidh says:

        @TomPaine – The term “Church of England” does not imply that all people in England are meant or forced to practice one religion.

        In fact, had you bothered to educate yourself on the matter, you would have noted that in a recent census (2011) only 55% of people in the UK identified as “Christian” and of that number – 38% were 18-34, and the majority were over 55 years of age. And of those numbers, only 34% believed in a personal “god”.

        Perhaps you can aspire to be like another country – though China’s Christian population is only a mere 7.3% so I would skip there as well.

  19. raybabj says:

    They’d be happy if the banner was changed to
    – “Let’s keep Christ OUT OFChristmas”

    1. DC says:

      Actually they would not like that either. They are trying to prevent the government from picking and choosing what religious beliefs are promoted. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, etc..

      It’s not the message, it’s the government involvement in promoting the message.

    2. oscarf says:

      Corporate America has already taken care of that. The same Corporate America whose interests conservatives enjoy putting before those of the people.

      1. sam8131 says:

        it makes them feel good, let them do it.

  20. Patrick Sweeney says:

    There is a reason the Lord Jesus came in to the world, born of the Virgin Mary and died on the cross for all man so that we can be forgiven of our sins. What we are seeing are people turning away from truth, that Christ is wanting you to come back to him especially this time of season. You can’t explaine it, it is all a “Mystery” God is a Mystery and is proable why some do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and how he came to be born from a virgin and to this day still is how, I don’ know but, I have Faith, Hope and Love in my Catholic Religion and nothing will turn me away from that Love that I have for the Lord Jesus Christ and the Almighty Father. Let us all “Keep Christ in Christmas” because it will be a dark world with out him. Aman. JPS GK KofC 2531

  21. joan says:

    I say “Merry Christmas” and boast a beautiful nativity — the reason for the season. The crazy folks probably don’t like it and I don’t care about how the feel about my beliefs on public or private property. I might suggest they either ONE — move out the neighborhood, city, town, etc. OR TWO move out of the Country to somewhere that will greet them with open arms. I might suggest a nice trip to Saudi, Iran, Afghanistan to name a few. BE SURE you question the locals’ faith immediately. Don’t forget — remind them you have THE RIGHT to question their faith — be sure to let us all know how that works out for you. Oh that’s right its hard to talk after a beheading, beat down, whipping, etc. But based upon your strong belief that your opinion means to much — it might be worth it for you.

  22. Lois Ann Hobbs says:

    Why do we let a small percentage of the popu ion overpower the vast majority? In my opinion this is the tyrany of the minority. In the larger scheme of things, God help them to see and embrace the light. They don’t really know what they’re missing.

    1. Regina0217 says:

      Well said Lois Ann !!

    2. Steve L Reid says:

      I think we need to take our Country back.

    3. James M says:

      I agree. I am sick and tired of 2nd and 14th amendment telling the government to stay out of promoting particular religious views. We should repeal these!

  23. Marilyn says:

    How come these people never mess with Muslim holidays? Hmmm?

    1. DC says:

      Because the town is not hanging banners reading
      “keep Allah in Ramadan”??

      1. Milo D. Cooper says:

        No, that’s not why.

        Two reasons:

        (1) Islam does not enjoy hegemony in the American ideological bank.

        (2) There is the threat of violent retaliation from militant Muslims.

      2. SRock says:

        Good Point. If gov’t employees started hanging Buddhist or Muslim signs, I think the protests would also happen.

    2. Bear09 says:

      I have never heard of government employees hanging Muslim religious slogans. If they did, I am sure a lawsuit would be filed against it.

  24. Will says:

    May God Bless America!

    1. Milo D. Cooper says:

      Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ!

      1. babydriver says:

        In HIS precious name. AMEN.

    2. Joseph Sweeney Grand Knight Council 2531 says:

      We the Knights of Columbus are ready to stand up and defend the words “Keep Christ In Christmas” for if it were not our Blessed Mother giving birth to our Lord Jesus Christ we would not have the days of sales and last minute bargans in our stores. As a Veteran some of stores that you shop at will not let the American Legion nor Marine Coprs. Leagure have their “Toys for Tots” fundraiser in front of their stores, ” Is that Christ like, I don’t think so”!!! So let’s “Keep Christ In Christmas” that is what he wanted and that is the way it should be ….

      1. Stanford L Bishop says:

        I also defend the Words “Keep Christ In Christmas” Not only That I “Keep Christ In My Heart All Year Long” Peace Be With You And Your Council.

        Stanford L Bishop Council 15223 Santee South Carolina

      2. J Madison says:

        I agree. ….just not on government property

  25. Tony says:

    We all have religion. Atheism is a religion as it is a set of beliefs that there is no god. Even agnostics are religious. Their religion is apathy, not picking sides, unwillingness to commit, as it is their BELIEF that there is no way to know. Regardless, it is a disgrace to the person when they spend so much of their time seeking out ways to attack religious beliefs they don’t agree with. Ultimately, people will not be swayed by a sign. They will view it via their paradigm of existence and the perspective with which they entered the viewing. Christ is the reason for Christmas. Period. If you don’t want to celebrate Christmas, fine. No one is forcing you which is what freedom of religion is REALLY about.

    As a Christian myself, no one will deter me from saying “Merry Christmas” or hanging a sign on my property declaring my belief. I don’t care what you believe, I’ll say it anyway as it is my belief. It is not my intention to offend because I CAN”T offend unless you CHOOSE to be offended. Therefore, it is your choice to let something so trivial offend you. If you want to have a reasoned, rational debate as to whether or not God exists and whether or not Jesus is His son, I am prepared for the discussion. However, what is happening here is not freedom OF religion, it is a push for freedom FROM religion, but only those religions that believe in God. Freedom from religion is not in the constitution.

    Ultimately, the absurdity is that those that are offended by religion work very hard to offend those of us who do believe. They are very hypocritical in that they perpetuate their myths of something from nothing and evolution, which require more faith than believing in God. Claiming that Christians try to legislate Christianity is preposterous. Even if we were trying, we certainly are not succeeding. I, though, have faith and know the truth will be discovered by everyone in the end. I will do my best to influence those willing to listen and the rest will hopefully have someone else to tell them before they die. The hope is that none should perish regardless of how obstinate they are.

    1. Jeff says:

      Very well stated – concisely and profoundly! Well done Tony!

    2. katie says:

      I like how you say discourse on atheism, and then announce yourself a Christian. Have you EVER been an atheist?! Do you even know any atheists in real life, people that you see at work, friends or family.

      If you answered no to all those questions, stop acting like you have any idea about atheism.

  26. RJ says:

    This is a country that celebrates cultural and religious diversity. The second ANY of us are denied the rights to display our religious icons is when we ALL become oppressed religiously.

  27. Hawkdriver1961 says:

    He is the reason for the season! This is why our country is going down the tubes. Crybaby atheists that have nothing better to do than look for and rail against something they claim doesn’t exist! Talk about twisted logic. We have to put up with their posters on the side of buses and billboards proclaiming their “Faith” in no God. For all their hoopla though not one of them is complaining about getting the day off for this unconstitutional religious holiday…

  28. picomanning says:

    Good Grief! The idea was to not endorse a particular religion and that all Americans would freely express their faith. The Faith in those days was CHRISTian. Does anyone here know the story of American history? I’m sure colleges have failed in teaching that subject. You know, it you go to used book stores you’ll often find old editions of American history. Books that grandpa’s and grannies kept on their shelves. Books they sometimes received from their mothers and fathers. Find the old versions. Read them. You’ll be amazed. I have the unabridged 6 or 7 volumn of Abraham Lincolnn by Carl Sandburg. It’s an amazing read. Even as America falls, read our history. You can see for yourself what was made and what has now become of us. Progressive Liberalism is the disease.

    1. TomJ says:

      I am also tired of progressive liberals telling us the government should not show favoritism to any particular religion and should treat them all equally. The government has a long history of favoritism in religions and it’s in the history books if the liberals would just read them.

      1. Matthew says:

        actually, no it doesn’t, true favoritism towards Christianity came in around the late 1950’s, the founding fathers wanted all religions treated equal, it is the reason everyone moved here, because England persecuted all non-Anglican religions.

  29. Debbie Bayles says:

    My husband asks if none of thsi CHRiSTmas is real why do you care. What are you afraid of? Let us fools be fools if that is what you think we are.

    1. DC says:

      I think we are afraid of our government getting involved in promoting any particular religion be it Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc.. Giant signs in front of your house, your church, your synagogue – all great! Giant religious signs promoting a particular religion paid for out of out taxes and decided on by gov’t employees – not great!

      1. Brent E. Smith Jr says:

        DC that sign was not paid for out of your taxes, that sign was paid for from the Councils private funds, and by its members. If you’re not a Knight, you didn’t pay for it.

  30. Debbie Bayles says:

    Hip hip horray for Pitman and your mayor. An ex New Jerseyan is proud of you.
    What an empty life the ‘winter solstice” crowd lives.
    But Merry CHRISTmas to you anyway and may you find His truth before you find eternity.

    1. Domingo says:

      Boring and lame, everyone with a lick of intelligence knows that any non christian religion and atheists can live a plenty fulfilled life, why you cant see ithat is the real question here. I don’t believe in Christ per say and the christian god definilty does not exist but have no problem saing MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU!

      1. Brent E. Smith Jr says:

        You may not believe in God, but I can say this with all certainty, Jesus Christ walked this earth for 33 years. That is a proven fact. And yes Christmas IS a Christian holiday, that we use to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Just as Easter is the Holiday that we use to celebrate his death and resurrection. If you don’t believe, you don’t believe, I am not here to try to convert you, just as you should not be belittling us who do believe, and trying to force your views down OUR throats. As Bob said before, if you don’t believe, stay at work on the Christian Holidays, and don’t celebrate. But, keep your mindless drivel to yourself.

  31. Bob Jackson says:

    I have a grand idea, all you folks that have an issue with Christmas and the REAL reason why we celebrate it, not the commercial reason, get you non believing selves to work, no days off, practice what you preach. Man up non-believers.

    1. Seriously? says:

      The reason we celebrate Christmas in December is because the early church took over a pagan holiday and traditions to make it easier for their new converts to adjust. Jesus was not even born in December. Most likely Aprilish.

      There is the real reason. Now what? And even if one doesn’t believe in Christmas the way you see it doesn’t mean that there can’t be a celebration of life and joy and peace and helping your fellow man, oh yeah… Kind of like Yule…

      And just out of curiosity, what does religion have to do with days off? Labor Day… non-religious. Martin Luther King… non-religious. New Years… non-religious. Must say I am confused as to what that has to do with anything…

      1. Milo D. Cooper says:

        @Seriously: “The reason we celebrate Christmas in December… [blah blah blah] … There is the real reason.”

        That’s not relevant. Bob Jackson (original poster) was referring to the primary reason Christmas is celebrated, not the time of year the celebration takes place (which is a tangent that no one cares about, and which isn’t even the subject of this whole issue).

      2. Ceilidh says:

        Milo D Cooper,
        It IS pertinent to the conversation because – whether you would like to believe it or not – there are *millions* of Pagans (and Wiccans) in this country alone that celebrate the season for what it truly is – Yule. The dark half of the year and rebirth of the sun is the reason for the season. And there are plenty of educated Christians who do not celebrate Christmas and Easter (the Pagan holiday Ostara) because they took the time to find out that these holidays are Pagan in origin and still practised by Pagans every year. While they may consider Pagans godless heathens – I will always have respect for them because they took the time to educate themselves about the true meaning of these holidays.
        That is more than I can say for most…

    2. Milo D. Cooper says:

      I know, right? Typical anti-Christian (actually, typical *leftist*) behavior, i.e. they’ll take the benefits as they denounce their source.

      Damn those darned Christians, but sure, I’ll take the time off and receive the gifts.

      Damn those darned Christians, but the term marriage should be applicable to gays (even if gays are already afforded the same rights and responsibilities as wed heterosexuals under the CA family code).

      Damn the free market, while I post to my lefty blog on my Apple iPad, as I sip on a Starbucks hazelnut latte, to which cafe I drove in my Honda Civic, wearing my Birkenstock sandals, all of which companies were funded by rich investors and venture capitalists.


      1. Domingo says:

        Milo, you are hilarious, I love how all you “________(random generalization) like to throw every single atheist into the Leftist or what not. You have like half a dozen lame and extremely overused generalizations in your post, which is a surefire sign of stupidity or just lazy internet behavior, hopefully the second. I know plenty of non Christians (not even just atheists, you know, the other 60% of the world out there, other religions that you probably ignore) that do not overuse generalizations as you did, good job pro, please spreed more of your amazing insight.

    3. Brent E. Smith Jr says:

      Amen Bob, Amen!!!

  32. PHILIP N COLE says:


    1. Rude_Rick says:

      Because of the very common usage of the “separation of church and state phrase,” most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase “wall of separation between the church and the state” was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church’s business, not to keep the church out of the state’s business.

      The constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion

    2. yourcomputer says:


  33. Jackie Carre says:

    If you don’t like to keep Christ in Christmas than please do away with the holiday altogether! Let not the greedy simpletons of life who so do protest Christ to celebrate shopping as a God once a year! Let not the fools be over come with credit card debt, gluttony and drunkenness once a year as their children grow up to be spoiled brats of society as they receive whatever they place on a list whether they have been kindly through the year or absolutely disgustingly bratty!

    If there exist so much opposition to Christmas or nay any holiday pertaining to any Saint or any Christian tradition or RELIGIOUS tradition altogether please be set to do away with it as we all turn into self centered consumers with no time for a holiday working day after day with no concern to our neighbor only to placate our own pleasures in life. LET US CLOSE ALL religious Charities! Let us get rid of religion and its followers all through out, any aid group connected in such a way to be abolished, any schools funded by such groups to be shut down.

    LET US do this as this article seems to suggest in all its decided ignorance of Christmas tradition. Let us not stop with ridding ourselves of keeping Christ out of Christmas, If Christ is not in Christmas let us rid ourselves of the holiday altogether for it loses any significance or tradition whatsoever. FOOLISH people indeed.

    1. Domingo says:

      No, lets not, just just spend time with our family and love what we have, pretty simple right? I guess not, man you seem to way over think everything. It is what ti is, who cares what myth you tend to stake your life on, we should all just spend time with each other and care less about what deity we choose to put all of our fears and hopes into instead of ourselves and others.

  34. Dan Scheper says:


    1. Ratt says:

      And, A Happy New Year, hopefully with a new President.

  35. jp says:

    Ridiculous. This is Freedom of Speech, paid for by a private group, just like a billboard. It’s about integrity of words. What holiday would “mas” signify? Without the word “Christ”, the word “mas” would be confusing. Would this Jewish person be offended by a sign saying “Keep the D in D Day” or “Keep the Valen in Valentine’s Day”? How about “Keep the PU in Purim”?

    1. DonS. says:

      You might be interested to find out that the “mas” in Christmas is short for “Mass”; when you celebrate Hanukah this year, notice what he BC Jews did to those who wanted to drive their religious observances out of the public square.

    2. JBSPuddintane says:

      Keep the mad in Ramadan
      Keep the lent in Valentine’s Day
      What’s missing in PIM? UR!
      Keep the bus in Columbus Day
      There is no I in Christmas
      You are the other in Mothers’ Day

      1. DonS. says:

        “There is no I in Christmas”?
        Where did JBSPuddintane learn to spell?
        I guess that’s more proof that hating Christianity drives you crazy.
        By the way, it’s not true that since the First Amendment forbids Congress to restrict the free exercise of religion, that it’s the job of local judges to restrict religion.

    3. Jim Madison says:

      Is this sign on the Knight’s property? …I think the lawsuit is because the sign is on government property and approved by a government employee.

      I think the sign is great. I think government employees picking what religious sign to display on government property is bad.

  36. Wesley Mcgranor says:

    Amen, and it is rediculous to claim that Christmas trees and Santa is Christian symbolism.

    1. vjjames says:

      No direct symbolism, but Santa Clause came from Saint Nicholas so there is a connection…

    2. LTG says:

      What is Christmas? Nothing. Christians don’t believe that Christ was actually born on December 25th. This is just the time chosen to celebrate it. This was probably in response to pagan winter Solstice celebrations. Why do most Christians celebrate many of the pagan traditions of Christmas? Because they don’t live in a vacuum. The fact is that there is nothing unique about December 25th. However, I do not believe that God minds people celebrating love, joy, peace and charity at the end of every year. These are the principles he espoused and the principles that he will establish when he returns to the earth. Jesus loves celebration. It’s gonna be one huge celebration when all Christians get together!! So what is Christmas? Nothing. Nothing except a specified time to celebrate Christ, Emmanuel, God with us! Alright!!! Christmas Rocks!!!

      1. tony says:

        This not whether Christians believe that Jesus Christ was born on a particular day or not, but that Christ the Savior WAS BORN.

        Christmas is a celebration of His birth. Of His coming. Nothing else.

        Attempts to deride this Holy Holiday from Christians is intolerant and criminal.

        And just because you don’t believe doesn’t mean we have to qualify to you year after year.

      2. LTG says:

        I don’t think you read my post tony. Read again and enjoy. JESUS IS the treason for the season! (-8

      3. carl38 says:

        Jerimiah Chapter 10 verse 4 What does this look like? Maybe it wasn’t called Christmas then. See how the deception is great. We were assulated deep into the clutches of our advesary.

  37. ken1315 says:

    I think it is funny how this Freedom from Religion Foundation is portrayed as a group promotes separation of church and state when it really just wants to stamp out religion altogether. Just another hate group.

    1. T.Wilson says:

      Separation of Church and State is a Constitutional myth. If anyone can find it in there, step forward and quote it. The FFRF has it’s own set of beliefs which it preaches.

  38. spagme says:

    I always keep Christ in Christmas.

    Just this week I said, “It’s Christmas already? Jeesus Christ!”

    1. DanB says:


    2. LTG says:

      You have the right to use Jesus in this manner and I have the right to wholeheartedly disagree which I do.
      In a lighter vein I have some questions for you…
      Can you name the bi-polar Christmas carol? …
      Joy to the World (tomorrow all bets are off!)
      Schizo Christmas Carol? … We Three Kings
      Senior’s Christmas Carol? … I Wonder As I Wander

      1. LTG says:

        Oops, I mean “We Three Kings Disoriented Are” LOL

  39. Mr. Incredible says:

    Speech, in public and on public property is free.

    A sign, tied to supports on private property, hanging in pubic airspace, is no less free speech than any other speech.

    1. Bill O'Rights says:

      a process, where a government employee approves one sign because it fits his religious view and rejects another because it does not has been ruled unconstitutional repeatedly

  40. Silly Bagger says:

    Eisenhower’s 1955 Christmas card said “Season’s Greetings” ! OMG Not Ike!

  41. Machismo says:

    Knights of Columbus banner that hangs over Broadway in Pitman. Get it Knights of Columbus! there is no Separation of Church and State, no such thing. Do not let a bunch of Islamists, atheists, and hoodlums ruin Christmas for the rest of us. Yea! Knights of Columbus, Praise the Lord Jesus!

  42. Charles Mack says:

    “I think it’s a sad state of affairs that our country, we kowtow to the minority and not the majority of people who like that sort of thing to stay,” said Mayor Michael Batten.
    That is why we are a Republic and NOT a Democracy. “Majority-Rule” should not trample the rights of anyone

    1. dave l says:

      i noticed that too, but nobody has the right to not be offended, and that is really what these anti-Christians are all about… a true atheist would not even care this much

      1. Sue A. says:

        I am not an atheist, but I am also troubled by government officials deciding which religious signs are ok to display on public property.

      2. Charles Mack says:

        I am an atheist and am not offended, but the Constitution prevents the government from establishing or supporting a religion. Just put that damn sign on private property and leave our tax-payer money- supported infrastructure without religion

    2. Otto Zeit says:

      Whose rights are being “trampled”? Does a non-believer really feel “trampled” when his eyes fall upon a sign telling him that some people do believe? Such a fragile sense of identity and self-worth!

      1. Charles Mack says:

        It comes down to whether or not it is public or private property. Would they allow a “God is just Pretend” banner to be placed over that road? I bet they wouldn’t.

  43. EnoguhAlready says:

    As in times throughout history, the time is quickly approaching again for Christians to become militant.

    1. TheRealKingMax says:

      Oh, boy!

      Tammy Fay gonna carry an AK….

      1. LTG says:

        That is funny! Irrelevant but funny. Show’s creativity. BUT, here is the truth… There are foolish people that represent all kinds of groups. You can count on it. That doesn’t change who God or Jesus is it just reflects on the smallness of that certain person. Still, I love your sense of humor. (-8

    2. Ceegen says:

      No reason is worth being militant over. I can be a Christian no matter where I go, including jail or to the gallows. I sincerely hope and pray that I never raise a hand in anger to anyone, even my enemies, and I was in the US Army for 7 years. I have never killed anyone, and don’t plan on it… But any “Christian” who does, isn’t really a Christian because they are contrary to exactly what Jesus taught us.

    3. Rush says:


      1. carl38 says:

        You who use the sword will die by the sword. there is a pit dug for the wicked, I call to the wicked, put the shovel down!

  44. Bill Clinton says:

    I worship the Kia Soul full of hamsters….

    “I’m still shuffulin’,,,,”.

    1. TeaParty says:

      I am ok with this as long as the Government does not start putting up “Kia Soul full of hamsters” is the one true faith signs inside of public court rooms.

  45. Jim says:

    Next they will want to change the name of Christmas because its a Federal Goverment Holiday and you can’t mix the Goverment and Christ.

  46. Steve Hollar says:

    I’m an atheist and this does not bother me in the least. Let’s see, who’s prominent name is in the word Christmas? Oh that’s right, Christ. For those who believe, I say more power to you. If brings a lot of comfort to millions of people. For this small group to throw a hissy-fit over something like this is just so lame and shallow.

    1. Jackie Carre says:

      You are the kind of Atheist I respect. And I thank you for commenting because there is a really bad opinion of atheists who do lame and shallow things like mentioned in this article. I mean I’m Christian and I don’t tell other religions to stop their holidays or get angry if I see advertisement for it… besides what do people want Christmas to be? A shopping spree once a year you can’t pay for? with people who use pepper spray on each other on black fridays? Ridiculous….

    2. Alzo says:

      Thank you for the single most level-headed comment on this topic. The major faiths have a whole lotta baggage, but you can’t deny centuries of feeding and clothing the poor. As for the separation of church and state- it’s called Disestablishment; It’s right there in the First Amendment and it works to the benefit of both spheres. For the Biblically-inclined, go to Matthew 22:21- that’s right, Jesus himself made the distinction.

  47. Ah WantSum Hon says:

    I think everyone should mind their own business, worship and express your religious beliefs (or lack of) as you see fit.

    For example, I believe in Victoria’s Secret Angels…..

    And when I die, I’ll have 73 of them to make me happy.

    Who the hell cares if they’re virgins? i just don’t want them to be transvestites or drag queens.

    Thank you, Victoria. Amen.

  48. Gcanta says:

    Silly Atheists, we have April 1st to commenmorate your belief, let us have ours.

    1. Jonny says:

      I agree, books suck.

    2. TomPaine says:

      No one is trying to stop you. Just stop trying to put your stuff in the shared common areas.

  49. Joot says:

    Fine, you want “freedom from religion”? Then you push for the repeal of Thanksgiving and Christmas as Federal, state, and local holidays. After all, Christmas is a celebration of Jesus Christ and Thanksgiving, well, to whom do you think the “thanks” are given? The next step would be to repal MLK Day since he was a minister and his passion for equal rights was based upon Biblical teachings.

    1. dogwithwings says:

      I believe the first Thanksgiving was celebrated by pagans as well as Christians. The Pilgrims didn’t celebrate Christmas. I like Christmas better with Santa than Jesus. Christmas has so little to do with Jesus and his teachings.

  50. Ceegen says:

    Jesus, a man who spent his life teaching us to love and care for each other, and above all to love God, was killed for what he believed in… Going so far to forgive his executioners. How sad it is, that we as Christians, can’t try to share this message with other people because of an unfounded hate for a man only trying to change the world one stubborn heart made of stone at a time.

    Don’t worry, Atheists, God loves you too. He waits for you, continually, to be back in his loving kind care. Don’t let the idiocy of this world get in the way of your eternal salvation through Jesus who is Messiah.

    1. Jonny says:

      Assuming the narrative(s) contained in the gospels of the New Testament are true, Jesus wasn’t killed for what he believed in, he was killed for rocking the boat and spitting on the most powerful empire on Earth… after said Empire adopted him as their new God, they adapted the narrative to say that he was killed by zealous, jealous jews that couldn’t recognize their own Messiah.

      Believe what you want, but don’t patronize our “hard” atheist hearts and minds.

  51. bill says:

    Why would they be offended by Christ? The answer is pretty simple. To be continued…


    atheists do have a religion – they believe they are their own god

    1. TomPaine says:

      I don’t care what atheist believe in. I just don’t want them hanging atheist signs in the middle of town on public property. This needs to be stopped

  53. Chet says:

    What bothers the Athiests is the fact everytime they see a reference to Christ or God it makes them aware they have a creator who will judge them someday. This is the reason for thier childish behavior.

    PS: Ever wonder why they don’t pick on Bhudda, Islam, Yoga etc. etc.

    Just another bible profiecy fullfilled… Like many others! GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!

    1. gnatcar says:

      Agnostic here, not an Atheist.

      The only religion that is routinely pushed in our faces is Christianity. If we felt that another mindless religious group was threatening religious diversity and freedom, we would not stand for that either.

      The fear that Christians will try and legislate Christianity because they believe that their reality is THE reality is what scares us.

      Believe me, it has nothing to do with the less-than-intelligent belief in a boogeyman devil and a vengeful god. You can’t believe the joy life can bring when your every waking moment is not hounded by these two apparitions…and you are jealous that we live our lives free of the weight of “faith,” all the while comforting yourself with the malicious thought that we will get our just rewards after we die. You pity me for my lack of faith, I pity you because of your faith.

      1. kyle says:

        I feel Chet’s response was not very nice, but I have to ask, how can you claim Christianity is pushed on people or being legislated? In the 21st century your description really only fits with Islamic countries – you should stand up for your freedom and fight against their expansion (1.5 billion and growing).

  54. Olivia says:

    Do The Freedom from Religion Foundation realize that what they said is a belief which is a religion. Everyone believes something. It is not unconstitutional to declare your belief for all to see. Both sides are declaring their belief. One is the truth and the other is not. There must be a judge of it all for one to be right and the other not. Who is that judge? The Christ who is in Christmas. Obviously if you read the bible you would know that Jesus’ birthday was not given as precisely December 25th, but it is a day that we can unite and honor him, there isn’t nothing un-biblical in that. The day of Christmas, that is man’s tradition, it is true, but at least they are not ashamed to confess that Jesus is Lord. We should be doing it everyday so that every ear can hear, not just one day. And also there is physical proof that there is God. Snowflakes, the earth you are standing, gravity, math, etc, I could go on and on and the universe does just that. The Heaven’s declare the glory of God! It is not an accident and deep in your heart you know it, it is faith that makes it real. If you have faith in the scientists who tell you all about their observations, without understanding it all, but yet you believe. God is easy to understand if you take the time to ask and read the Bible, it has all the answers to life made by the creator himself as a gift to us. The main beauty here is that we live in America where we have these freedoms to talk about belief. Take away people’s right to declare their belief in public and we lose this forum, we lose our free will to believe, and then we would all be forced to believe a lie.

  55. Mike says:

    The Queen of England was born April 21, but her birthday is always celebrated on the second Saturday in June. It really doesn’t matter which day Jesus was born – we celebrate it on Dec 25th with a Christ Mass. You might not like Christians or their holiday, but if you want the day off, keep your mouth shut.

  56. Max17 says:

    Merry Christmas!

  57. LA says:

    Bottom line:
    Sign is on private property and draped across a county road.
    If you don’t like it, don’t read it and don’t go near it. It’s pretty freaking simple.

    These atheist groups are getting out of control. Stop being such babies and finding stupid little things to complain about.

  58. GiGBigPak says:

    I’m sick of it. Christians do all that goody, goody stuff for (somewhat) secret motives, not just because they really just want to be good. And people finally need to hear the truth. Because of their ulterior motives, they travel around the world to spread their beliefs, feed the hungry, build hospitals, provide shelter, dig wells for safe drinking water, etc., etc.. This has been going on for hundreds of years. Often, driven by their radical motivation, they are persecuted, harassed, harmed and even killed. But, they only do this because of their ulterior motives. Here are their real motives: bring glory to God, treat your neighbor as you would like yourself treated, feed the hungry, heal the sick, love others even if they hate you, take care of widows and orphans, become more like Jesus, etc. What a sick bunch of people. Surely the world would be better off without them….

    And, of course people hate Jesus. Look at the horrible, horrific and harmful message he disseminated.

  59. Ms Cox says:

    Matter is energy that is constantly in motion. Even if we cannot see it or the motion, we know that it exists. An individual made of flesh and blood is still matter. This matter carries a trinity of charges of positive, negative or neutral, which may not always be in balance.

    When an individual ceases to exists, this energy does not cease to exist; it dissipates into the air possibly combining with other energy and creating different forms of matter. Some of this matter ascends and some descends at the level of the horizon.

    If you have ever felt the presence of someone after they cease to exists, it is their positive energy you feel. If the hairs stand up on the back of your neck, it may be the negative energy a person is emitting. None of it is hidden. So why is it revealed to some and not others? Because some believe and have faith in the holy spirit of positive energy and others are lost or non-believers focused on the evil, out of balanced negative energy of life. This energy can be shifted to positive or negative depending on how one chooses to exercise their free will.

    The grand master of this phenomenon is God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, etc., who are really all one in the same. Even the scientific community has not disavowed, but honors him by naming their new research in search of the “God particle”.

    1. Christian in NH says:

      “The grand master of this phenomenon is God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, etc., who are really all one in the same.”

      Wow, that statement is wrong on so many levels. You need to pick up at least one of the books related to each of these religions to see why. And probably switch off Oprah at the same time.

      1. Ms Cox says:

        We shall be of one faith. Don’t let your affiliation blind you for there is more to be revealed.

      2. sallylu says:

        You are correct. These people don’t know what they are talking about. One day the God of the universive will put an end to all of this, and ONLY those who worhsip Him, and have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, will enter into heaven. Every knee will bow, and every tougue will confess He is Lord.Some of them will say, Lord Lord did I not do this in your name? His response will be, “depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you.”
        I love God and am thankful for His only begotten son, Jesus.. I do want to be on the correct side of eternity.

    2. carl38 says:

      Reprobate is what reprobate does, sadly.

  60. Carl38 says:

    I don’t mind people celebrating whatever they want,but do people know what they’re celbrating? The Messiah is Hebrew and no mention in the Renewed Covenant expressing His birth. The first century congregations had the scriptures from the Tenach and a couple of newly written scrolls. Chapter and verse didn’t arrive on the scene until the 15th century. If you research what Christ mass what you will find is some common pagan practices and those that don’t mind,denying the truth won’t make you any different than you before. If you like being lied to, that is. Lookup hebrew roots and see what you find. May His peace be with you now and forever.

  61. Jane Fulmer says:

    The Constitution protect religion in the public square, it does not restrict it. The Knights of Columbus are citizens, so their freedom of religion and speech is protected by our Constitution. Put your name to your dissent unnamed cowards. You will be publicly shamed.

  62. InTheNo says:

    Sucks whe all you have to look forward to is the worms keeping you company underground…

    1. Robin says:

      And the their surprise at how hot it is.

  63. I sure do wish they would take the tooth fairy sign down at my dentist office…

  64. mcccmar says:

    what part of this dont these people get CHRIST mas – Christ is an integral part of CHRISTmas – the reason we celebrate it is to commemorate CHRIST’s birth – and these knights of columbus signs have been around for years – deal with it

    1. isukusa says:

      mcccmar: Christ has nothing to do with Christmas. CHRISTmas is an invention by the Roman Catholic Church. They incorporated Sol Invictus (Triumph of the Sun) which is a pagan festival and “Christianized” it; as the church did with other pagen themes, Easter being another. Part of the council of Nicia officiated by Emporer Constaintine was to reject all things Jewish and ended up replacing those Jewish things with Roman pagan things. Christ was born during Tabernacles. Tabernacles (Christ tabernacled among men) is traditionally celebrated in the late fall. This is the reason why the shepards were still watching over thier flocks in the field; they would not have been in the field in December it being too cold. This also explains why Mary and Joseph were on the road to Jerusalem. Tabernacles was one of three festivals that required all Israelite males to come to the capitol city. Christmas is a man made tradition and again, has nothing to do with Christ and has everything to do with paganism. Now having said all this people certainly have the freedom to worship and celebrate as they wish and I do enjoy all the Christmas songs, decorations, and food, but let’s keep the record straight Christ has nothing to do Christmas. So why does this even matter? Because if we adopt the traditions of men instead of what the inspired text teaches we end up rendering the the Good News to “no effect” and Christains end up behaving just like everyone else, is this not the condition of the Church? Powerless with the same ills as the rest of humanity?

      1. Exotica says:

        >”They incorporated Sol Invictus (Triumph of the Sun) which is a pagan festival and “Christianized” it; as the church did with other pagen themes, Easter being another.”

        Easter is a celebration of Christ’s return, & eventual ascent to heaven. What do Pagan festivals have in common with it?

      2. Your reply may be accurate ancient history. But in today’s society, Christians celebrate the birth of Christ. Deal with it – and celebrate it.
        In this case, there is no legal problem with the sign, others can also put up signs.

      3. David W says:

        isukusa, Christmas may have nothing to do with Christ *for you*, but the reality is that Christians of the era opted to move their *celebration* of Christ’s birth to the winter so as to conceal it *among* the pagan Saturnalia celebrations of the time – allowing them to celebrate without persecution. The persecution still exists, just in different forms.

        Same applies with Easter – the name ties the roots of the celebration of the pagan goddess Eostre and spring renewal, but Christians opted to move their celebration of the resurrection of Christ to this time to avoid persecution.

        The reality of it all is that Christ Mass – The celebration of the advent of Christ – should be a year-around life celebration for all Christians, but we’ve chosen to celebrate it on Dec 25th. To *not* live the life Christ desires for us, or worse, to deny Him, is truly to make the scriptures of “none effect.”

      4. James says:

        Actually, the holiday was Saturnalia, and many of the traditions we now celebrate are derived directly from that holiday. Gift giving, decorating evergreens, and the use of candles were all Saturnalian practices — as was the practice of masters and servants switching roles, which is commonly practices on Boxing Day.

        So, Io Saturnalia!

      5. sam8131 says:

        wow, you are a genius. You should be a pope or rabbi or something.

  65. kmpk says:

    Yah, that evil Christmas Holiday is disturbing to Atheists. That evil message that this Christian Holiday Christmas brings, “Peace on Earth, Goodwill Towards Men” . Can you believe how evil that message is. If the Banner was hung across the street with this Christmas Message on it they would protest that. Get a life all you Atheists. Nobody puts a gun to your head or forces you to believe. Go celebrate your Soltice Day but stop dictating to the rest of us. You are not being persecuted. You choose not to believe. Good for you.

    1. Bubba says:

      I see you are giving us a prime example of Goodwill toward Men. The sign is directed at you not the atheist. Would Christ have posted such a message.

      I believe that Christ would have taken the sign down and preach the Word to those that wished to listen. He was not an in our face kind of person. IMO.

      1. kmpk says:

        Bubba, its the Atheist that is in everyones face screaming I’m offended, I’m offended. Get a life. And don’t lecture about what Jesus would do. Jesus was all about trying to make the non-believer a believer.

  66. astralweeks says:

    People who get ‘offended’ are wimpy little babies who get a thrill from whining and moaning. Grow a pair and look the other way.

  67. dogwithwings says:

    The pilgrims hated Christmas. If one wants to put Christ back in Christmas, I can think of many ways that are less vain. You guys are like the Pharisees.

    1. Joe says:

      You’re a hypocrite.

    2. turdwithwings says:

      Why didn’t you address the atheist sign? Their sign has been up for 45 years and you don’t hear the “Pharisees” side complaining. If you don’t like it, look the other way. Isn’t that what you tell others that don’t like the things you like or do.

      Typical liberal hypocrite

      1. Bubba says:

        What is all this look the other way, BS. How far do you extend this philosophy to crimes, do you look the other way when your neighbor is in need?

      2. turdwithwings says:

        @Bubba, you’re a moron.

        Does you question seem to be an appropriate question to a religious person or to an atheist. Most people of religion (regardless of faith) care for their neighbor and stand up against crime. It’s clowns like you that think everybody should except and tolerate most everything. Matter of fact, you tell us we have to except or we have some type of hate or phobia.

      3. Bubba says:

        Turd, I am saying don’t look the other way.

  68. Lee says:

    “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” said Seidel.

    -Hey!! That’s gonna make a really catchy bumper sticker!!

    1. Rayn says:

      Believe what you like but do not try to stop others from believing differently. If taking Christmas day off does not offend you, then a sign should not either!

    2. bob says:

      I love how christains ignore the fact that all the ‘Chosen’ one’s that came before jesus were born on the 25th December. Then i remember that most christian don’t read up on the history of other religions wonder why that is ?

      1. Mailman8203 says:

        why not display your ignorance a little more – Christ wasn’t born on December 25th and any Christian is well aware of that.

      2. bob says:

        Indeed there is high probability that he never existed in the first place

    3. Verheek says:

      What a cheery thought! LOL I know which message I prefer.

    4. Chris Edens says:

      I have to say if this is a war of words the atheists lost. What a convoluted message and if you have to say that much to try and convey your opinion then you are struggling. It’s like they are trying extra hard with this message. They might as well of ended with “and your all a bunch of poo poo heads”. That’s about as childish and immature as the rest of the message sounds.

      I am all for free speech so post your sign but it comes off as petty.

  69. Rayn says:

    How is it any different than a billboard? AND if you do not believe in Christ feel free NOT to take Christmas day off!

    1. Verheek says:

      Yeah. Maybe they’ll be lucky enough to have three spirits visit them to turn them from their path of gloom.

  70. Tom Genin says:

    I just though of something.

    Try to get Your town to sell you a 10’x10′ piece of property at town hall, which will have a deed restriction in perpetuity that it can only be used to display items in the month of Decmber and January of each year.

    Of course it will end up being a nativity scene, but the town will have no control over it, and will therefore not be in violation, as it will be on “private property.”

    1. Bubba says:

      You sound like a leftist, trying to get around the US Constitution.

      1. bobh says:

        Bubba…you sound like a right winger trying to establish a theocracy.

  71. CJ says:

    You have no right to freedom FROM religion.

    1. Nix says:

      We all have a right to be free of a government endorsed religion. Would you accept having a sign that says “Obey the Vatican” or “Allah is Great” set up on what appears to be public property? Government should be completely nuetral.

  72. Bubba says:

    The problem that this sign is pointing out is that Christians do not keep Christ in Christmas. They appear to be telling Christians to reduce the commercialization of Christmas and return to spirituality.

    This sign is not addressed to atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. The problem that the sign is highlighting is with Christians.

    1. Forest says:

      Wow, your thought process is way off. Go back to sleep and quite commenting.

      The sign is trying to get AMERICA to keep Christ in Christmas, not one particular group. You know the “Happy Holidays” phrase so that we are P.C. instead of Merry Christmas or may the whole Xmas thing. You, obviously, don’t get it.

      1. Bubba says:

        No, you don’t get it.

        The key word on the sign is KEEP. Only Christians need to KEEP Christ in Christmas. Other groups never had Christ in Christmas so they cannot KEEP Christ in Christmas. This is clearly an admonition to Christians to be more Christ-like.

  73. Kate says:

    They did not have to take it down. It is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion this atheist group is saying. They can’t make their own rules over the Constitution. Merry Christmas everyone and hope it’s full of all the joy this season brings. Sad for those who are so close-minded and full of hate at this happy time.

  74. Harvey says:

    All of you need to read St. Thomas Aquinas’ argument for the existence of God

  75. Melvin says:

    “It’s a group endorsing religion over a public right of way,” This needs to be truly called exactly what it is? Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Oh freaking Wahhhhhhh, “It’s a releeeeegious sign over a pubic road.
    “Hey, all you Atheists and anti-religious if you have such an aversion to religion that you publicly state that you do. Then you have to freedom to leave, and go to a Country that doesn’t have any religion such as Communist China. I’m sorry they do have one religion, and it’s called the Communist State Religion.”
    Trust me you’ll be in good company with the Chicoms.

  76. kmpk says:

    Ah, the wonderful and inspiring message of the Atheist, “LIVE, DIE, ROT”

    1. Jeremy says:

      Now there’s a slogan I can see catching on… LOL

  77. PeteM1999 says:

    If I have my druthers, I think I will keep Christ in my Christmas and forego the Freedom from Religion Foundation’s sign.

    May each of you have a very Merry Christmas, full of love, peace and goodwill towards each other.

    1. Lorisa says:

      Thank you Pete…Merry Christmas to you as well!

  78. Dave says:

    The Constitution allows for freedom *of* religion, not total freedom *from* religious messages. You want to dis Christmas? Work through it like many Jews do. At leas they have some intellectual honesty. Atheists, not so much..

  79. TONY says:


  80. rbmanley says:

    The Freedom from Religion Foundation isn’t trying to promote “separation of church and state” as your article states. It is working to rid society of any reference to Christianity in public.

    1. Mike Smith says:


      1. Christian in NH says:

        No Mike, we don’t need to fight…we need to pray.

    2. Lorisa says:

      Right! Do you ever hear about them going after ANY other religion?!

    3. Verheek says:

      It makes you think there must be more to Christianity than “just another religion”. Otherwise why bother with it so much effort to remove it. I think it’s because deep down, people know that God exists and owns their souls but their pride keeps them from what they really need.

  81. Dennis in Ohio says:

    It’s a free country, which means you can be stupid as you like, or not. As a member of the Knights of Columbus, we have put up our “Keep Christ in Christmas” sign annually here in SW Ohio and get many compliments on it. The message is not directed at non-Christians, but is to remind those of us who do believe in God that each year we seem to commercialize the season more and more as the society itself become more secular and PC in nature. I think it is sad that some people could be so unhappy in their own existance they would be intent on bringing down the happiness of others. Perhaps in their excitement over the solistice, they have developed terminal cases of seasonal affectiveness disorder?

  82. Danny says:

    Have you noticed that the atheists who tell FFRF are not named but the Christians are not afraid to let their name be known to everyone?
    If the atheists don’t believe in God, then who are they afraid of?
    Who are they fighting?
    Only a fool fights someone who doesn’t exist.

    1. Michael says:

      Amen to that, Danny. It’s sad, though, that they never think what may happen if they were to be wrong.

      1. bobh says:

        Michael , you and Danny are sadly misguided…probably gores with watching too much telkevision.

  83. Daron says:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Nowhere in the above passage is there any indication that GOD can’t be present in any government, school, or public function. It clearly says that the Government can’t make you worship any god of their choosing.

    It would be nice if everyone would take a hour to read the US Constitution.

    BTW you may feel that Jesus is not the savior but to doubt his existence on Earth? Crazy, because even if he wasn’t the savior he has clearly had the most influence on this plant than any other human being.

    1. Chris says:

      Right on, Daron!

    2. Joe Dokes says:

      I thought it was the Druids that had influence on plants.

      1. Exotica says:

        pretty solid rebuttle, mate

    3. Nix says:

      If you support “god” in school then you must also support “Zeus” “Budha” “Allah” and all the others or simply acknowledge yourself a hypocrite.

  84. Ms Cox says:

    @GGG Have you taken a good look at the alleged Free Thinkers of the FFRF. They are mostly frauds themselves. They have been inspired by the word of God or bestowed with his gifts, yet the FFRF tries to twist the facts to promote their cause of a Godless society.

    Katha Pollick reads and writes fictional stories/poems inspired by the bible in regards to God and Satan. She ironically questions “What mentality allows certain events?” I would ask her what event hardened her heart? There was also an interview posted online that stated she joined the communist party after WWII. The next day, the web page was gone. Since China is preparing their military for war, does this communist affiliation mean she needs to be reported to DHS? Again on the very next day, the FFRF removed her picture from the front page of their website. None of these actions appear coincidental.

    Stanford University analyzed Simone Beauvoir, who rejects the familiar charge against humanism made famous by Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor: “If God is dead everything is permitted.” As she sees it, without God to pardon us for our “sins” we are totally and inexcusably responsible for our actions. Dostoevsky was mistaken. The problem of the secular humanist is not that of license, it is the problem of the “we.” Can separate existing individuals be bound to each other? Can each one forge laws for all? The Ethics of Ambiguity insists that we can. It does this by arguing that evil resides in the denial of freedom (mine and others), that we are responsible for ensuring the existence of the conditions of freedom (the material conditions of a minimal standard of living and the political conditions of uncensored discourse and association), and that I can neither affirm nor live my freedom without also affirming the freedom of others.

    Again FFRF removed Wolfgang and Claude DeBussy as renown Free Thinkers from the front page of their website. Both men were composer, musicians that engaged in adulterous debachery. They added Ouida, a novelist who writes pure fiction and Burton Lane, the composer of Finian’s Rainbow whose scores includes gospel and R&B influences.

    And last but not least, Ron Reagan, the president’s son, an announcer and belated political activist. An announcer for Air America that went bankrupt once it had to return the money to the Scouts of American after a scandal. A political athiest activist leaning toward Buddist believes without conviction and remained quiet until after his father’s election and death – very convenient.

    FFRF can have contradictions, but dare not God, seems extremely hypocritical. I notice FFRF omits the word “Evil” on their banner, because it is evil that they use in their denial of freedom.

  85. jimmie says:

    For a small minority the only joy they can have is to try to spoil something others have…it is mainly because they have nothing and they are bitter about it. A true atheist could only be privately amused at people who believe in nothing…these poor things have to advocate nothingness spoil Christmas for those who have real Joy… and they can do it only because Christians who built this country allow them their God given right to make fools of themselves.

    1. lol-no-god-thanks says:

      Those that live in glass houses… etc etc…

      1. Factchecker says:

        Those that throw out ridiculous cliches trying to sound intelligent but end of looking arrogant and judgemental…etc etc…

  86. Nikki says:

    People get their panties in a bunch over a sign. Bunch of ninnies. Get a life already. Let them hang their sign. Merry Christmas. John 3:16

  87. Phillip says:

    If you really believe God doesn’t exist then why fight against something that doesn’t exist? Do something else that matters……..

  88. GO_FLYERS says:

    Please!!!! To all of the God and religion haters, it is atheism and secularism that is behind the worst tyrannies in our “modern enlightened age!” These so called enlightened people support the evil of communism and facism ,where 100’s of millions died, they rant that it was “belief in God” behind these atrocities! What needs to be done is everyone contact thier Congressman and Senator, and forcefully tell them that you and your neighbor’s believe and will act and vote accordingly, that secularism be treated as a religion. In fact it is a hateful religion that does take rights away and steals assets.

    1. Z says:

      Please save that garbage. That’s such a cop-out argument. Maybe the communists were atheists but they didn’t kill people out of that. They killed out of a state sponsored philiosophy which is just as bad as religion. You know what it was called when religion ruled the world? The Dark Ages.

      1. jerry says:

        Christ is not a religion, folks!! He is the only Way Of Life. So simple to believe a real person, the God sent child for a wicked world such as now exists. Everybody talks “religion”, that’s man made. Christianity is a way of life. Believe it or not.

      2. espy says:

        Actually the Dark Ages occurred due to the collapse of Rome, not the rise of religion. With Rome’s collapse a power vacuum opened up in Europe and something needed to fill it. This happened through the introduction of the feudal system. In this feudal system, while religion played a part, it was not nearly so large a part as many seem to think. Religion never really ruled the world. It has influenced the world, both positively and negatively, but never ruled.

        As for those religious killed by fascist and communist regimes, the people committing the atrocities cannot deny what they did and as shown following World War II are held accountable for their actions. It was decided following the defeat of Germany that “following orders” was no excuse for the attempted genocide. They knew full well what they were doing and did it anyways.

      3. GO_FLYERS says:

        Please!!!! It was the aetheist state sponsored “Communist and Facists” “one party rule” that killed 10’s of millions. It was the atheist society that killed these people. You, can not condemn atrocities that were really perpetrated by men, then voice a blanket indictment of the belief in god and religion.Yet dismiss the same atrocities by atheist regimes. Hypocrit!! Oh but your word is “enlightened!”

    2. J. Mayer says:

      You do realize that millions (yes I’ve said millions) of people have died in the name of “god” over the centuries right? I will never vote for someone simply because they are a “god fearing” person. I will vote for someone based on how they are going to run the office they are selected for, does it benefit the people they are serving, and will they be reliable. I couldn’t give 2 s*%t’s about what ‘faith’ they have. Religion has no place in government.

    3. Margaret Maree says:

      Right you are, GO_FLYERS!

  89. Matt says:

    In the Constitution it’s freedom “OF” religion, not freedom “FROM” religion. And their “there is no god” sign is a religious sign. Let us also not forget that the words “separation of church and state” do NOT appear in the Constitution.

  90. Rusty says:

    No one seems to get upset when “Do Bong Hits” is painted on our bridges,, Whats wrong with this country is too many hippies are now in government offices, “The Man, Big Brother doesn’t nother them now that they are big brother,,what a joke.

    1. bobh says:

      Rusty, it is you who are the joke.

  91. Bill says:

    I would rather believe in Heaven and Hell, and when I die find out that they don’t exist, than not believe, (as these people do) and find out that it does.

    1. Liberty Jane says:


  92. TexasForever says:

    Winter Solstice…..I believe the Nazi outlawed Christmas and replaced it with celebration of Winter Solstice.
    But I guess it would be too much to ask these public school products at Freedom from Religion Foundation to do any reading other then from a pamphlet.
    Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards all Men!

    1. Mike says:

      You are absolutely incorrect. The Nazis may have co-opted Christmas, but they never banned it or any other Christian religious. Please do some research! Google Nazi Christmas.

      1. JustTheFacts says:

        Do your own research, Mike. The Nazi’s believed that Christmas and Christmas Eve had nothing to do with Christ and celebrated the “Winter Solstice.” They also replaced the manger with a garden, replaced Santa with “Solstice Man,” and removed the word “God” and references thereof from Christmas carols (for most recent reference, see David Smith’s artice from 2009 in Der Spiegel). The similarities are unquestionable and undeniable. Call it what you will but if it walks, talks and sounds like a Nazi, it probably is, no matter how much window dressing is put in front of it.

    2. Mike says:

      Yes. What is going on is obvious and they label you a kook if you point out the obvious. The bible points out that all this will happen. I wonder what they think about that? Well… the truth is that most people are hell bent (no pun intended) on running away from God. It is to be expected as the Word of God explains. Our business is to remain faithful. The Lord’s day is coming and he will take care of business.

      1. Dee says:

        Mike, well said.. this is all prophesized and part of the end of time and deterioration of mankind… All that will be left is our enduring faith in God who will be the ultimate judge of each and everyone of us… Our faith will sustain us til our time on earth is done.

        God Bless and have a very Merry Christmas!!!

  93. Jay Jefferson says:

    “CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof…” The first amendment’s pretty self explanatory. In our system of government, federalism recognizes a great amount of power retained by the individual and our local state and town/city governments. We the people have our right to worship our religion of choice or not freely in PUBLIC (ACLU SUE ME)! We tolerate each others’ rights to execise our freedoms; since Christmas is a holiday around this time of year, why should people be offended by it? The Knights of Columbus isn’t forcing those atheists or anyone to celebrate a holiday they don’t want to engage in. THE 1ST AMENDMENT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO IMPOSE A “CHURCH OF THE U.S.,” LIKE A CHURCH OF ENGLAND, ON ITS CITIZENRY, NOR STATE IMPOSED ATHEISM (aka-the war on Christmas) EITHER. Worked out real well for the Soviet Union… oh wait, didn’t something happen to em 20 years to the day? Now to any of you out there who may not celebrate Christmas, whether you be Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, anything else, or a sensible atheist; are you ever offended when someone wishes you a “Merry Christmas” this time of year? It is a holiday which is right around the corner. Well let me ask you something; would you be offended if you stepped off a plane in Cancun and were wished a Happy Cinco DeMayo? So what if you don’t celebrate that particular holiday as an American, you shouldn’t be offended that a great many people in a given country celebrate that kind of holiday. I as a Roman Catholic have never been offended by anyone wishing me a Happy Hannukah, or Happy Ramadan, or “happy holidays,” as “politically correct” liberals want you and me to say. I have been offended by atheists imposing their will on us; telling us we can’t God forbid have a Nativity scene in a public park around Christmas time, that we HAVE to call a Christmas tree a “Holiday” tree in a public park. PUBLIC, there’s that word again; society, GOVERNMENT. Because the 1st amendment protects our rights to freely exercise our religion in public, so long as we don’t interfere with another’s right to sing Kwanzaa carols, guess what? FYI-THE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION’S INTENT OF USING PUBLIC AUTHORITY TO DESTROY THE CHRISTMAS SIGN WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Sure Freedom from Religion’s got every right to exist as a group, BUT SO DO THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS. MERRY CHRISTMAS…. OH NO, DID I SAY THAT ON A PUBLIC WEBSITE? HAPPY LAS POSADOS THEN!

    1. bobbyhoying says:

      Do you really expect liberals to care about truth? We are in a cultural war with them and they started it. We must never back down to their not so subtle efforts to destroy our Christian foundation. When I was in elementary school in the City of Philadelphia we still read the Bible every morning in class. We rotated each day and everyone participated. We’ve given up a lot of ground to these people, and the unclean spirits that motivate them. We must draw the line here.

      1. Mike says:

        I say that the Lord drew the lines already. The question is do we push them back over that line or belly up and take it?

      2. Verheek says:

        Yeah we used to read the psalms every morning and had the Lord’s prayer on the PA. That was in the 80s. The problem is that overtime, Christianity was seen as just another of many ideas and in fact one to be removed. The question is why? I think it’s another God vs Satan battle. As long as people can be distracted from what is really important and fighting for that, God can be removed over time like the frog in the pot analogy. People harden their hearts or are too timid to stand up to the vocal minority that has issues with God and needs to be helped.

      3. roberrth says:

        maybe an “unclean spirit” has affected you.

    2. Dee says:

      Atheists will continue to rant and rave, remember why are they so passionate could it be that perhaps of fear that their self righteousness is wrong? Their passion about the anti ranting says something.. But we must keep in mind, they are responsible for their own salvation. We need to pray for them

      1. Dustin Baumann says:

        I’m sorry, but you guys are grown ass adults that still believe in a magical sky-daddy? You still believe you can telepathically communicate with the “creator” of the Universe?

        Seriously, grow-up children.

      2. Marlinda says:

        Dustin, tell us why you feel the need to say such unkind things to people. What goes on inside your heart that you feel the need to do that. It is the “Freedom from religion” crowd who have attacked in this case. These were perfectly peaceful individuals displaying a banner in a city, or putting a nativity on a courthouse lawn, as has been done in America from the beginning; yet these freedom from religion types go all over the country like mean-spirited Scrooges harassing people and threatening them with lawsuits if they don’t remove them. Those nativity scenes and banners harm no one, including you. They in no way force religious belief and practice on anyone. The constitution in no way says that religion cannot be expressed on public property. And a truly MATURE ADULT is not worried about them. It is actually mean-spirited small-minded people who have not properly developed in their minds who feel the need to go around being mean to people in that manner.

  94. Raymond A. Collier says:

    My Comment was directed at “Jse117.”

  95. Georgine Kratzer says:

    These people are ruinung America and I hope the good Patriots stand up and vote these ignorant liberals out of office before they completely kill United States of America. Wake up!

    1. Dustin Baumann says:

      On the contrary, you need to wake up. Maybe start using your intelligence when reading mythological books like the Bible or Qur’an.

      1. Love Big J says:

        How intelligent is it, really, to look around you at the marvel that is life on earth and to believe that it all happened by accident, coincidence or a random sequence of events?

        You refuse to believe in a higher power, but accept with resolute faith and certitude the postulation that there was an absolutely perfect confluence of over a centillion different variables, dovetailing perfectly in a random environment, in order to produce the miraculous regenerative, evolving system that is our world.

        If you don’t understand the irony inherent in that belief vis-a-vis your criticism of those who don’t share it, then you shouldn’t be condescending to anybody about intelligence.

      2. Exotica says:

        for all that secularism you’re exhibiting here, you have quite the God complex yourself; telling others how to think, what to do

        plain charming

      3. isukusa says:

        So Dustin did you know that the book of Chronicles is the offical history of the state of Israel that is on the order of 3000 years old? Just as our state and federal governments record their history for posterity so did the nation of Israel. Many of the other Old Testament books are also accepted as ancient historical records, much of which has been verified. I understand why you say what you do but you should really understand what you are saying before you “use your intelligence.” :)

  96. Tyrone says:

    “Freedom from Religion” group sounds like it has some very miserable people as members Guess they would like everyone to sink into their abyss..

    1. GGG says:

      The more religiosity in a society the less freedom. It’s just that simple. Go to the Islamic Republic of Iran and see how much freedom you have. Go to Israel and you’ll see real repression. Whenever cults are in charge you have less freedom of thought, action and they are always fascist. The abyss is religion. I care not what people believe as long as I am not expected to have the same beliefs.

      People that purport their religion is real, without any proof, are no different from those that tell me Leprechauns are real, or elves, or gnomes.

      1. joe says:

        God does not force anyone to believe in Him. You choose to reject Him of your own freewill.

      2. Mike says:

        I beg your pardon, but the Knights of Columbus are not in charge and not part of the goverment like the Shia laws you speak of. This is a private organization essentially doing a protest on public property. The OWS crowd is doing this continually and everyone raves. A religious group makes a statement and it is deemed unconstitutional by an atheist organization.

        People can believe in God, elves, or even Santa Claus – the constitution allows them that right. Geesh some people are naive.

      3. derickcooper says:

        Those are good perspectives GGG, but are you personally offended by a Merry Christmas sign like this one? Doesn’t sound like it.

      4. Cincinnatus says:

        The only cult I know of that has truly absolute hold on individuals and bans ALL speech and thought not associated with their beliefs is Liberalism. This cult believes that government can create jobs and taxing the rich will fix all our problems – yet there is no proof this can happen.

        There is the absurd fantasy that BIG GOVERNMENT works, yet this silly notion draws flocks of mindless drones like the spoiled, lazy rich kids down on Wall Street. My religion gives me the promise of heaven after I die and their religion gives them the promise of economic slavery and the draconian government regulations where their only hope of reprieve is an early death.

      5. Brett L says:

        That is craziness. Christianity invites all to freely choose to follow or reject. Do you not understand that this whole American experiment rests on a Christian philosophical and sociological foundation? The first amendment came about because of the religious convictions…theological convictions of Baptists in Virginia. It was precisely BECAUSE of God’s revelation through Christ that the freedoms we enjoy came to be a part of the the American ethos. Everywhere atheism has ever reigned brutal totalitarianism has followed. Eventually darwinian philosophy wins out and might makes right. Only through Christ can we find freedom. All religions are not the same and thus we gladly and loudly procliam “Joy to the world! The Lord is come!”

      6. Marlinda says:

        Excuse me, GGG, but what you just said is what is true of human beings period, regardless of religion. Do you not see that atheists trying to remove all vestiges of religion put in place by believers is just as domineering and overbearing as any religion ever could be? No one is forcing beliefs on you by putting signs up or putting a nativity on a courthouse lawn. We do not have freedom from expression of religion in America. We have freedom from governmental coercion into religion. Putting a nativity scene on pubilc property coerces no one. Efforts to forcibly remove them is just as fascist as anything you think is fascist in Christianity.

      7. Love Big J says:

        This argument is simply specious, GGG. Confusing correlation with causation predisposes one to say stupid things.

        Soviet Russia, one of the great oppressive societies in recorded history, outlawed organized religion entirely. The Third Reich actively campaigned against Christianity; Communist China defined adherence to Buddhism as a betrayal of the people.

        To the extent that a nation’s religiosity impacts the equation, Judeo-Christian nations tend to exhibit more individual liberties than do Islamic nations; incidence of religiosity is simply not a primary causal factor in oppression, in and of itself, and to suggest otherwise is to ignore fact and historical truth. Islamic nations adhering to Sharia are oppressive as the western hemisphere understands that term, but that’s a function of Islam specifically, not religion generally.

        The sword you wish to wield cuts both ways: if “people that (sic) purport their religion is real…are no different from those that (sic) tell me Leprechauns are real” is a flawed argument, how is the absolute belief in a secular universe, constantly evolving, originating from a Big Bang, absent any Creator, not similarly flawed?

        Neither can be proven with absolute (or, arguably, even probable) certainty. Both require significant leaps of faith in order to believe.

        There is no moral or intellectual superiority in rejecting the concept of an Almighty. You simply choose to place your beliefs — your faith — in something less abstract.

  97. Jim Busse says:

    I don’t think it is religous speech at all. It is just a defination of a FEDERAL HOLIDAY. There is an interesting science fiction series that celebrated not specific traditional holidays, such as New Year, Thanksgiving, Independance day, Memorial Day or Christmas They celebrated #1, #2, #3, #4. Happy number 12! Now that has meaning. The kind of meaning only an atheist could worship.

  98. frank Lee says:

    Freedom from Religion is a joke name, yes? Because I think our Constitution guarantees Freedon OF Religion.Their sign with the over-long message is such a sad outlook on life. Anyway, let them put up their atheist sign, it marks them for what they are.

    1. Jeremy says:

      Yes they can put it up and people can choose between their mindset or the other mindset. I know which one I want to live for.

  99. Trish says:

    These Freedom From Religion people are the most self interested and hateful people to come across the wire in a long time. The intolerance and christaphobia is palpable, and they seem to get a perverse thrill out of offending and denigrating others. It’s quite sad that their level of hatred is such that they are intent of ruining the holiday for the rest of us just because they don’t like it. Bullies.

    1. David says:

      Next time the Muslims do something big – tolerance is out the window, people are going to cut loose on them.

      1. Menachem begin says:

        Too bad it was the Juden who pulled of 9/11 and every other major act of terrorism in this world. And yes, we will cut loose. Remember the uss liberty, holodomer, fractional reserve banking, Israel (that’s a self explanatory one), organ rings, slavery, pedophilia, etc. W w w . S u b v e r t e d n a t I o n . N e t
        Give no quarter, ask no quarter

  100. lisa says:

    They’ll be so surprised when Satan is smiling and waiting for them. Saying ” Am I real now ?”

  101. Kini says:

    Maybe Saudi Arabia is more to their liking. They kill you for not believing.

    1. Will says:

      I’d like to see them to get away with hanging that banner over a highway in Cherry Hill.

  102. Getoverit says:

    I have never seen an athiest or a Jehova’s Witness or anyone else refuse a Christmas Bonus. Just sayin”….

    1. MAC59 says:

      Or refuse to take the day off.

      1. Getoverit says:

        Amen. LOL

    2. Candace Montgomery says:

      You are so right, they want to bash Christians but yet still have the benefits that comes from Christianity not only the bonuses but the vacations also that come with us Christians don’t they.

      1. JJV says:

        Self avowed atheists should NOT get off work for the day or if they do take off they should not be paid. Do that and see how many suddenly become believers.

    3. Chris says:

      I have seen Jehovah’s Witnesses turn down Christmas bonuses.

  103. stonedome says:

    At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” said Seidel.
    they have the right to display their sign and i have right to burn it…they burn the flag and call it free speech…better watch out!

    1. Merry Xmas says:

      Yes you may buy your own flag or sign and burn it.
      Burning theirs would be a crime.

      1. Verheek says:

        How about Merry Cmas instead of Xmas? Sometimes it needs shortening but this gets rid of the X which is not needed these days.

    2. Justin Time says:

      Just a little taste of what’s coming for them. =D

  104. Jeremy M says:

    I can tell you that these guys will be surprised when they find out their distorted world view is the fairy tale. Let’s pray that God will reveal himself to them this Christmas season so they can stop missing out on the life they could be living.

    This separation of church and state malarkey has got to stop. When is someone going to put this in context instead of a catch-all for anti-religious extremist zealots to ruin the natural balance of life?

  105. Don Wright says:

    Next year put the sign on a billboard on private property.Make them challenge “Freedom of Speech”then.

    1. MorganGray says:

      That’s just the problem, Don… they *have* done that in the past. Back about the mid 80s, early 90s, a church had their creche and cross on their own property, which was visible from a public park. The ACLU imported some homeless guy from a town 20 miles away to file a lawsuit because even being able to *see* the display from a public park constituted a breach of “the wall of separation”.
      I don’t remember the outcome of the case, but this is the way things are going, and will continue to go until we dig in our heels and say thus far and no farther.

  106. Dave says:

    Maybe we need an to form an organization that puts up Christmas decorations in all the places that these people can challenge in court to make them go broke filing these lawsuits.

    1. Verheek says:

      LOL Dave. I like your style.

  107. Jerry Frey says:

    For POSITIVE Facts about Christianity, pls visit:

    1. Twoiron says:

      For Positive Facts about Christianity, read and study the Bible.

      1. Randy Bobandy says:

        Yea, I like the ones about not eating shrimp, how it’s ok to own slaves and shunning woman on their periods….. great book of morals to teach our kids.

      2. jasperddbgghost says:

        Hey Randy, heard the one where you and your gay friends get pineapple enema’s for eternity?

        Spikes Out

        We have a curb stomp waiting for you.

      3. mighty says:

        very xtian of you jasper..

      4. Helping Randy says:

        Randy, if you studied the Bible rather than just hating it, you’d know that the prohibition on eating shellfish does not apply to Christians. Most of the Old Testament law does not apply to Christians. Maybe you should actually learn a little about Christianity before ASSuming it isn’t true and that all Christians are morons? And when the Bible refers to slaves, it is not a slave like we had in the USA until the civil war. It is more like an indentured servant. And slaves had to be set free after a certain period of time. Again, maybe you should read the Bible rather than hating it for what you incorrectly think its says?

      5. MorganGray says:

        AND… if you really read and study the Law, you will see that there are only three types of slavery permitted.
        1: Military Slavery, i.e. POWs. If you launched a war against Israel and lost, then all of the captives became slaves in Israel. These are the only slaves who are exempted from the Year of Jubilee. Why? Because most nations will think twice before going against a kingdom that is never going to repatriate the captured soldiers, that is to say, the work force needed to plant and harvest.
        2: Judicial. If you commit a property crime, you work off the debt, or the debt times seven, or whatever the judge determines to be just (notice, not “fair”). Why? Because it is a pretty good deterrent to crime if the criminal knows he is going to have to become the servant to the victim if he is caught.
        3: Economic (or indentured servitude). You can’t pay off your debts, so you go to work for the one who holds our debts until your account is cleared.
        Now, it is important to note – in the case of Judicial and Economic slavery or servitude would be a better term – the master is required to treat his indentured servant or bond slave as one of the family. He is to care for him, feed him, clothe him and is forbidden to abuse him. At the end of the term of slavery, some servants elected to stay with their masters, which is why the Law provides guidelines for that eventuality. In the Year of Jubilee, ALL Judicial and Economic servants are freed, regardless of their debt. This is a foreshadowing of the release from the debts of sin provided by Christ.
        Oh, and there are only two punishments given under the Law. Bond service / slavery or death. No prison, no rehabilitation, no probation. You either were sentenced to work off your debt, or you were permanently removed from society.

  108. meandmyrc says:

    What do they fear? The Freedom from Religion Foundation has a right to be free from religion – but we also have a freedom of religion. Americans have to start fighting these people back. Get some righteous indignation and kick them out. Sheesh!

  109. clean says:

    Why is it we are to tolerate all other beliefs/behaviors but Christianity.
    What are they afraid of?
    It’s the only faith with an all Loving and Forgiving God, all the others have lots of laws/rules, stuff ya gotta do and your still not good enough.
    God has freed us thru CHRIST. We are Worthy, Free, Forgiven.
    How can you not want to have a relationship with the Lord our Savior?
    Stop listening to the extremists and LIVE FREE.

    1. JJV says:

      What are they afraid of? Easy, the left in order to succeed needs TOTAL DEPENDENCE on the State by it’s citizens. Religion is a belief in a higher authority then the State and this is something the left cannot tolerate.

      Every Communist country has tried to destroy religion by prohibiting its expression. They have failed as will these sad and miserable people because while you can stop people from publicly expressing their belief or even attending their place of worship, you can NEVER stop their believing and it is this inability on the part of the small minded people here which condemns them to failure.

  110. tim says:

    let’s take the socialists out of the white house

  111. Lyv says:

    As a Jew, I would like to say (especially to my coreligionists):
    LIVE AND LET LIVE!! I am NOT offended by Christians hanging signs or celebrating their holidays and neither should you be! It seems that just because you don’t want to observe your faith, nobody else can observe theirs. Never heard of something so absurd.
    Let Christians be Christians.

    1. johncs says:

      Happy Hanukkah!!

    2. Jay says:

      Well said Lyv! I also say let Jews be Jews. I am happy when you celebrate your faith and I have no intention of every stopping that free expression. I was in India last Christmas with a large group of Hindus. At a college we were visiting they asked me to get up and explain my beliefs about Christmas, which they called “A Christian Festival.” Live and Let Live. We all celebrated each other’s festivals and respected each other. We don’t have to always agree, but respect should be valued.

    3. Gene says:

      I’m a Christian, and I appreciate your comment. And in a similar manner, I am by no means offended by symbols of the Jewish faith, or for that matter symbols of the Muslim faith, whenever and wherever I see them. But for some reason, the perpetually miserable, angry Godless secularists are so incredibly offended by Christianlity. In the past, there offense has been tolerated, at least to some degree. But my prediction is that this tolerance will not last forever. There will be a tipping point, and Christians will begin to really fight back.

      1. Dee says:

        Well said Gene and all of the others. Godless equals hatred… this is a great example of the continual deterioration of this world/ society.. We are all responsible and accountable to our Creator. and the day will come when we will meet our Creator. I think of the continual decline and anger that exists… God must be very disappointed but some day all will be made right.

      2. Verheek says:

        Let’s hope this economic wipe-out will bring people back to God and community and get some priorities in order. Nothing wrong with making money or being rich but it’s all about priorities and God needs to be #1.

  112. jackspratt1 says:

    leave America if you do not like it – Go on GET OUT!!! or allow the Christian to have their say as well as you having yours. Oh but that cannot be, if you don’t agree with me you forfeit your freedom to express yourself – go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  113. grumpy says:

    Why don’t we just take the word “new” out of Happy New Years And just say “Happy Year? Why not take the “4” out of the 4th of July and call it the th of July?
    C’mon people grow up! Traditions are traditions. With all that’s going on in this country, and the world it’s kind of sad to see where our priorities have gone!

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to ALL.

  114. Christine Toal says:

    The Freedom From Religion Foundation also has a beef with Mother Theresa having a stamp in her honor. Celebrate this wonderful human being and buy as many Mother Theresa Stamps from the United States Post Office as you can afford. If someone has the time they could start the Freedom From the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
    No God No Peace
    Know God Know Peace
    Have a wonderful Christmas and pray for peace in our world.:-)

  115. Norwegianbear says:

    These freedom from religion folks are the worst because all they have done is to seize upon something most people love so they can make money protesting it. They obviously have no concept of the Constitution and its freedom to practice religion. I am all for free enterprise, and since they are all atheists, they shouldn’t get offended by me supporting “Looser pays all” for our courts, and me wishing them a great time in hell.

    1. Jeremy says:

      Well….um…we need to be showing Christ’s love to those we disagree with. Otherwise we’re not really good examples.

  116. Stephan Gregor says:

    I don’t care what you do, where or how or who you do it with, as long as you don’t interfere with my right to do the same. Hang your sign, believe what you need to believe whatever it takes to get you through life.
    My experiences and observations have led me to a place where I believe the choices I make, the life I lead, absolutely has to have an ethical foundation. But I cannot see how it is meaningful to be a “moral” person if I am motivated either by fear of punishment from some authority, or the promise of some kind of prize in the future for being “good.” That pretty well means I am an “atheist.”
    As an extension of the same reasoning, though, it follows that (my) atheism cannot be a religion, as so many of you insist, because that necessarily implies a canon, rituals, and dogma, and these are precisely the kinds of things that get in the way of my developing a unique, ethically responsible, relationship with the universe and its infinite expression.

    1. Jane MacFarland says:

      Stephan, you can’t be good enough to win heaven and you can’t be bad enough to deserve hell. Christianity is God reaching down, taking the sin from the sinner, and offering a substitution. In gratitude we try our best to lead “moral” lives which we fail at. But it is the best we can do.

    2. johncs says:

      I do not fear God, I “fear” disappointing Him as much as I would my loving and awesome Dad or in other words… I don’t want to let him down by not trying my best.

  117. The Bruce says:

    I think the only thing “controversial” about this story is the fact that residents of Pitman, N.J. are confusing their local city government with the United States Congress when making their bogus “Constitutional” argument. Or did I fail to read somewhere in the article where the Federal Government put the sign up?

    Speaking of the Constitution, did these “angered” residents fail to read the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution?

    1. Tim says:

      I find it funny how it really hurt them, if they dont believe its real, hows it hurting them. I would REFUSE to take the sign down.

    2. Publius says:

      Heck did they even read the First Amendment where it states that “Congress shall make no law…nor prohibiting the freedome thereof,” meaning ‘nor prohibiting freedom of religion.’ Can anybody read and comprehend in these times? We live in a nation of morons.

  118. Josh Biggs says:

    Whats funny is the same people that have a problem with this sign have no problem wishing everybody Happy Holy days :\

  119. Lisa says:

    You know what I find ironic? I live in a Muslim country (Bahrain) and no one seems to get offended during the Christmas season. Malls, apartment houses, restaurants and hotels are decorated with Christmas trees and Christmas music is playing. In one of the more conservative malls, I heard not only Christmas music but religious Christmas music. When you go shopping, people aren’t wishing you Happy Holidays, they wish you Merry Christmas. I’ve always respected others beliefs or non-belief, but I am getting fed up with the attack on mine because of people’s sensibilities.

    1. Pound says:

      That’s because you dont have too many marxists or joos in Bahrain.

      God bless. Merry Christmas.

    2. Upchuck.Liberals says:

      I’m going to guess this isn’t the case in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan….

      1. Steve says:

        I lived in Afghanistan for a number of years, and your guess is wrong. All these countries they speak much more openly about faith, Christmas, etc. than is today allowed socially and almost legally in this “Christian” country of the USA. Pretty sad state of affairs here.

    3. Jem says:

      Amen Lisa! I am close to you in the UAE and find it heart warming how they help us celebrate here by allowing Christmas trees in malls, Santa for the kids and pictures, decorations everywhere, “Merry CHRISTMAS” on shopping bags, etc. It’s a little thing called “TOLERANCE” that America is becoming more and more confused about these days. I am headed back to America soon, and am sad that I will be LOSING religious freedom and harmonious celebration in returning from a Muslim country! Just the other night, a beautiful local family saw my Christmas tree in my window and stopped so their kids could see it and wish us a MERRY CHRISTMAS! Brought a tear to my eye. America has it all wrong. I hope we can learn the beauty of tolerance.

  120. Donna says:

    This just goes to show how people have lost the meaning of CHRISTmas.
    I never thought or belived that CHRISTmas was about gifts it is a time for families to reflect on their beliefs. Everyone believes in Christ in many different ways and no one has the right tio tell those of us who belive that we celebrate CHRISTmas in our own ways. Do not step on my beliefs nd I wont step on yours.
    I will celebrate CHRISTmas with my family as I have done for 50 years.
    MERRY CHRISTmas to all nd have a Happy New Year.
    oops is ( Happy New Year going to be the next thing some try to stop us from saying!!!!!!!!)??????????????

    1. Verheek says:

      No because there is no mention of Christ in Happy New Year just like Happy Holidays is used at times to replace Merry Christmas.

  121. JuanV says:

    This is the ACLU’s busy season….shutting down Nativity scenes.

  122. bill says:

    Radical atheists are funny funny people. I love to watch them squirm.

    1. mighty says:

      so are the silly people who think a book written by a bunch of men, in order to control those who have a fear of death, is the word of god

      1. Dee says:

        Oh so ??? Mighty??? you are the creator??? Glad you have all the answers..
        Merry Christmas to you and God Bless

  123. rawheadrex says:

    This is a matter of small regard to Christ. He knows His followers and will gather them close to Him. We must pray for those who have not found Him yet, but He welcomes even the most abject sinner. He forgives, unlike many fundamentalists and especially the sanguinary wahabbis.

    1. A brother in Christ says:

      Well said!

    2. Heinrich von Schellendorf says:

      interesting name for your comment :/

  124. dred says:

    There is NO SEPARATION of Church and State in the Constitution! Nowhere!

    Well, maybe it comes right after the “right to privacy”…..

  125. jay says:

    And thanks to . . . “the chosen ones” and their ACLU.

  126. Veritas says:

    Andrew Seidel, isn’t it better to see “Keep Christ in Christmas.” than lets hang mazzo Christos attacking our religion?

  127. George Hayduke says:

    Where are Andrew and the Freedom from Religion Foundation every summer when Dearborn MI hosts it’s Arab (Islam) Festival? Where are they when Islam’s being promoted on the public streets of Dearborn?

    I’d like to see Andrew and his posse go in and try to tell the group in this video that they CAN’T prosthelytize!

    1. Veritas says:

      Andrew is scared of Moslems but despises tolerant X’ians

    2. Madame Guinoux says:

      The absence of religious banners in a public place is also a faith statement-albeit an intellectually bankrupt one. Atheism is a religious movement.

  128. My_name_is_Barack_and_Im_an_idiot says:

    “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” said Seidel.

    yet these are the same people who people in ‘astrology’ and ‘crystals’ and ‘wicca’

    Laughing stock. All of them,.

    1. Kevin B says:

      No, I’m not. I don’t need luck or fantasy to control my beliefs. Nothing controls fate and I am sorry that you require a deity’s wrath to make good choices in life.

      1. Milo D. Cooper says:

        LOL! How is Christianity, which has been and continues to be espoused by most of the brightest scientific and artistic minds in Western culture, “luck or fantasy”?

        We believe in an abstract First Cause of existence (as perceived by humans). That is a *logical* deduction stemming from the observable fact that nothing happens or comes into being of its own accord — as opposed to the atheistic view that the universe has simply always existed (which has NO bearing in observable science).

        Speaking of “luck” in particular, an atheist is far more amenable to the concept of chance, since any purpose that he ascribes to his own existence cannot have any objective value (since there is no Absolute as a frame of reference). Even in scientific atheist circles, “chance” is actually considered a bona fide mathematical force, instead of being regarded as the black box that it is.

      2. Steve says:

        You atheists just don’t get it. WE don’t REQUIRE *anything*. God is and always was. Whether you believe or don’t believe is your choice. We concern ourselves with what *God* requires of us. And that is recorded in writing quite clearly, to love our neighbors as ourselves. ALL of our neighbors. And that includes tolerance. Whether we agree or not. You could learn a thing or two.

      3. Canof Sand says:

        Studies prove that religious people are more moral and make better neighbors than irreligious people. I’d take a man that does what’s right because his future depends on it over one who thinks there’s no consequences if he doesn’t get caught any day even if the latter is generally a good guy because things can change and those who think there are no consequences are more likely to do things they shouldn’t. That’s simple logic, and bears out in polls and studies. Heck, you can’t even trust the atheist’s definition of “good” as he’s certainly a moral relativist!

  129. Matthew Dunnyveg says:

    One thing that would never occur to these leftists is that Americans should have rights in our own country, which is at least 80% Christian.

    The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

  130. Margaret Maree says:

    I meant to add that the atheists on public access shows are probably the ones with some mental conditions, as I know atheists who are laid back, and have a live-and-let-live attitude. Of course it’s the vocal minorities who start the kerfluffles. Here in Kensington, MD a few years back, 2 town residents nearly shut down the town’s Christmas celebration with a “Santa Ban”, but sanity, and about 60 Santas prevailed, along with numerous concerned citizens. Christmas was saved from the 2 malcontents, and the rest of us had quite a nice time, full of goodwill and cheer:)

    1. Jeremy says:

      Yes isn’t it odd that we allow the malcontents to have their way if there is such a majority of Christians.

  131. I'm fifteen and I know this. Seriously. says:

    Let Christians celebrate /their/ holiday, and let others celebrate theirs. People shouldn’t be offended by this. If you don’t celebrate Christmas, then the sign shouldn’t bother you because you wouldn’t be associated with it. “X-mas” is the non-offensive, commercialized holiday that completely takes out what Christians are rejoicing and makes it for everyone. Why? If you’re not Christian, don’t celebrate Christmas. Simple as that.

    1. DrSam says:

      If someone does not believe in God then put up a sign in honor of the EGO/SELF!

  132. Joe Guzman says:

    Andrew Seidel can go and f****k himself

    1. Justin Time says:

      A lot of people had to die so we could have the freedom to put up that sign. I was rather hoping it wouldn’t come to that again.

      1. Josey Montana says:

        Amen and amen.

        We see the ultimate conclusion of the selfish, self-absorbed, Baby Boomer generation, recipients of Dr Spock’s idiocy of coddling children instead of raising them.

        Is it any wonder that we find the grown-ups continuing to coddle the children — even if they are bald, fat and SIXTY years old?

        Yes Joe Guzman, it is long past time to tell these childish oafs to go eff themselves. After all, thanks to their idiot parents (the “greatest” generation) we are not allowed to administer a good, old-fashioned ass-kicking.

    2. Walt Dukehart says:

      He probably does – at least once a week. :)

  133. David says:

    Leave it to Liberals to find exercising ones 1st Amendment rights to both speech and religion to be ” controversial. “

  134. JAEJR1944 says:


  135. john says:

    Ever notice how intolerant atheists are? And all the while demanding tolerance for themselves? Hint: if you don’t like Christians–then don’t be one. If you don’t believe in Christmas– don’t celebrate it. If others do– let them. You be you. Let others be them. Live and let live. I’m sorry you are offended. Deal with it.

    1. rell87 says:

      Stereotype much? Do you hate it when someone lumps all Christians together and labels them hypocrits?
      I am an Atheist and have no problem with the sign.

      1. Richard Henkle says:

        he’s not steotyping here. I believe he asked a question, but thanks for being intolerant of his views.

  136. LSB1 says:

    News Flash! We have Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from religion in the constitution. Meaning the government SHALL MAKE NO LAWS REGARDING RELIGION!

    1. upchuck.Liberals says:

      Oh heck there you go with the facts. Don’t you know that only confuses Liberals and other fools.

    2. Tim says:

      amen and amen, they keep getting it wrong, no laws regarding religion, it DOES NOT MEAN FREEDOM FROM RELIGION, nothing says that, we need someone to sue to define that meaning once and for all. Funny how these athiest want holidays celebrating faith off but not the faithful to be allowed to celebrate it.

  137. kmpk says:

    Those crazy Atheists, there they go again trying to lift us all up with their inspiring message, LIVE, DIE, ROT! Truly inspiring.

    1. Josey Montana says:

      So the question is, “Why do we tolerate them in our lives?” Absent the Prince of Peace, these annoying atheists would not annoy us more than once before they were dispatched to their celestial reward, whatever that is so far as they are concerned.

      1. Verheek says:

        We’d all be with them if it wasn’t for Jesus or still sacrificing animals…

      2. brknbones says:

        This thread makes Christians look bad…The thrust of Josey’s argument is why most atheists gave up on churches. The Prince of Peace wasn’t enough to keep you all from deciding the rest of us needed to to love Jesus or die.

  138. Ronald Jean says:

    Christmas is a date in time, adapted by people, to pay respect and honor
    of the birth of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and our Lord and Savoir! That
    is a Christian’s point of view. Atheist’s, thrive on self proclaimed intelligence
    and always seem to have trouble with the name of Jesus Christ,as if something is controlling their erratic behavior when it comes to His Name! Christmas is
    a time of Peace, Love, and Sharing, that should be celebrated 24/7 throughout
    the year! Wake Up People!

    1. Justin Time says:

      Well said.

    2. rell87 says:

      I am an Atheist and I love Christmas, its my favorite holliday. I dsont have any problem with privately funded christmas displays in public places. I dont mind Nativity scenes.
      Don’t lump all Atheists togther, I actually understand the 1st Ammendment.

      1. Jeremy says:

        He’s a reformed Atheist. LOL

  139. kmpk says:

    LIVE, DIE, ROT! Truly an inspiring uplifting message brought to you by your not very friendly local neighborhood Atheists.

  140. mark says:

    It’s about time

    1. Terry Klima says:

      The Constitution prohibits a State sponsored religion…..not the pracrice of religion or religious views being expressed in a public forum……some folks need to study the Constitution……..including some who serve in the Supreme Court

      1. Adam Smith says:

        Yes. Literally it says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The first word is “Congress” and that is intentional. Secondly, the Bill of Rights, through a corruption called “incorporation” was forced on the states, but that action would have horrified James Madison. The BoR pertained exclusively to the Federal Government. After ratification of the Bill of Rights, some states maintained state religions, and it was perfectly legal. I should also point out that the First Amendment is technically unnecessary because Congress doesn’t have the authority under the Enumerated Powers to establish or prohibit a religion anyway. The BoR was added as emphasis or a firewall in case the government violated the Enumerated Powers, which it of course did.

    2. albert says:

      Sir,you are a JERK!!!! The atheist have their sign across the same street!:however it’s are to see because it’s nothing.

  141. Judester says:

    A sign is not a religion and the word church is not in the Constitution. Read it yourself.

  142. Frank LeFort says:

    Obviously, the unnamed people above have never read the “Bill of Rights”. Unconstituional? They do not even know what the Contitution is. Seriously, Do people rally have a problem with others celebrating their Holiday. Yes, Christmas is a Christian Holiday and Haunnakah, a Jewish Holiday and Festivus for the rest of you. The Bill of Rights essentially says that the government shall not pass any law that has to do with religion. They are not allowed to tell people how to worship. It does not mean that municipalities are not allowed to display Nativity sets. Some of those scenes were traditions that dated back over 100 years and if you don’t like it, Move!!! North Korea will gladly take you.

    Really??? Freedumb From Religion… How are Holidays of other so offensive?

    1. Verheek says:

      It’s offensive to many because it mentions Christ. It could also be they are offended because of Scrooge/Grinch syndrome. Nothing better to make the grouchy feel better than everyone else grouchy.

  143. David J Scott says:

    The definition of a “religion”: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

    Atheism is a religion. According to Pew, 2% of America is atheist. 76% is Christian.

    Why does the 2% have the ability (or the gall) to impose their religion on the majority?

    1. Chris Moore says:

      Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Like bald is a hair color.

      1. Stephen Wilkins says:

        It depends on the definition of ‘religion’. According to Dave’s definition, it is a religion.

      2. David J Scott says:

        Your statement doesn’t make any sense. By definition, Atheism is a form of religion, and the basic foundational belief of Atheism is that there is no God.

        Some would say it takes more “faith” to unequivocally say there is no God, than to accept that there is (Christian, Jew, Muslim) or that there may be (Agnostic).

    2. Chris Moore says:

      According to your definition, people who don’t believe in magical life-giving unicorns are a religion too.

  144. ZZMike says:

    What part of “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” in the Constitution do these people not understand?????

    1. rell87 says:

      I am, an Atheist and I agree, the sign does not violate the 1st Ammendment. As long as the tax payer isnt forced to pay for it religious displays are allowed by the Constitution in public places.

      1. Dave says:

        You are wrong……Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote the famous words “Separation of church and State” ACTUALLY appropriated FEDERAL funds to build a church for an india tribe and more monies to pay the salary of its priest. Now, you tell us ALL how he was able to do that with tax money, the man who wrote the words you and others worship, yet it is somehow illegal for a town to sponsor a nativity scene?

      2. Dave says:

        Thats INDIAN tribe in the USA.

      3. rell87 says:

        Dave, I dont deny that Jefferson did that, nor do I deny that it has occured many many times throughout history. But it is wrong to force tax payers to pay for religious displays. DO you want to pay for some Musslim display? Hindu? Jewish?

        It is a slippery slope you are pushing us down.

        If its privately funded religious displays in public places are not in violation of the COnstitution. Once tax payer money is involved you enter into State establishment of religion and a violation of the Constitution.

      4. sam8131 says:

        the govment pays for a bortions; does that port abort ion? And please don’t give me the Hyde Amendment, that’s bullshlt.

      5. J.H.G. says:

        If that is correct then why is the atheist (Which you classify as a religion) , put it up across the street on taxpayers money. You have an equal right to post your banner equally as well as other equal religions do. even in public places, for all the public to see.

      6. factotum says:

        Since 98 per cent of Americans believe in God, taxpaying belivers in God are the majority in the USA. They can do whatever they want to do with the dollars they pay in taxes.

      7. rell87 says:

        J.H.G., Taxpayers paid for those signs? Are You Sure?

  145. kmpk says:

    Yet in many public schools Arabic students are given rooms within the school so they can observe the call to prayer. We must be culturally sensitive to Islamic Arabic Students. Yet the ACLU is sent to attack Christian Children praying around a flag pole. There is no more common sense in this country. Especially what comes out of the politically correct left in this country. Yes, Socilaist Democrats.

    1. Margaret Maree says:

      Good points, all!

      1. Tim says:

        I agree with margaret, If they cant have Christianity in schools, no prayer rooms then either. period. I am sick of defending my right to my religion. all you atheists just go eat some tofu someplace and STFU!!!

  146. Momofthree says:

    if you don’t like it don’t look at it. Just celebrate your Christmas with Santa, reindeer, and snowmen and be happy. We will celebrate with Christ.

  147. Norbert G. Ginsel says:

    To the folks in Pitman: They said “There is only our natural world. ”

    OK, our world is composed mostly of space….. i.e nothingness. Every atom is mostly space. We are miniscule in this universe of nothingness. To be entirely rational, we must accept nothingness as the norm. What have these people to look forward to? Nothing. What can they depend on? Nothing. What is their reason to exist? Nothing. So why don’t they take themselves out of this pointless world?

    They’re scared. These are NOT happy people. Those of faith understand that the universe is scary, but they search for meaning where the atheists claim none exists. Those of faith find ways to be happy and to carry on despite obstacles. To the true atheist, happiness, life goals, morality, it’s all pointless.

    So what in the name of Heaven are they advocating? Oblivion? No thanks.

    1. rell87 says:

      lol , you dont need religion to be happy.
      If you actually believe in a Heaven then what are you waiting around for? End it and go live in paradise. The reason you, and all other believers, dont kill yourselves is because you doubt.
      BTW, I dont have any problem with the sign, it doesnt violate the 1st ammendment. Don’t assume all atheists agree with this silly campaign to stop religious displays.

      1. bob234324 says:

        You don’t need religion you need God.

      2. kmpk says:

        Life is a gift from God. Your own life is a gift to be cherished. To kill yourself is rejecting and destroying God’s gift to you. He does not look favorably on killing yourself.

      3. Smoke says:

        Suicide is a sin, and dooms one to hell, that’s why. It’s the most selfish act one can commit. Look up Ravi Zacharias, he proves all atheists to be completely misled in simple ways. He’s turned many atheists and agnostics around in one q&a session.
        Youtube him and Josh Mcdowell (who became Christian while trying to disprove Christianity). We welcome you to peace and love in Christ. It takes some self-discipline, but the blessings are worth it. My life is 180 degrees different since I was saved.

      4. Stephen Wilkins says:

        Reli87, actually I have seen stats showing that Americans who are religious are in fact happier. The reason why believers don’t just go ahead and take the plunge in paradise is because it is not ours to decide when we get to go home. We have a purpose here on earth. Also, I don’t make that assumption about Atheists, many are very nice, helpful, even intelligent and good.

      5. dell87 says:

        Only Atheists ignore everything life has shown them, the way things work, for the entire time they have been on this planet.. That is, all things come from something. Plants from seeds, animals from babies and so on.
        And yet, conveniently and against everything they know from a lifetime of seeing it, the entire Universe somehow didn’t come from was either always here or just “poof” , popped into existence one day.

      6. Dee says:

        I will pray for you Rell87

  148. felice says:

    may God bless the Knights of Columbus

  149. bill says:

    Freedom “from” religion? Interesting twist. I thought Freedom “of” religion was one of the tenets of the constitution. Silly me.

  150. Bernie says:

    Sorry for the careless typos in my original post.The atheists are the ones without reason. Who or what do they think is the uncaused first cause?

  151. dneher says:

    If these people do not go away the people of Pitman ought to do what the people of Frankenmuth, MI did when an atheist sued to have the cross taken out of their town seal. (Something this jerk was empowered to do after the town foolishly bowed to his pressure to change the planned iron work for a bridge to not include a cross). The people of Frankenmuth put great big crosses in all of their front yards so that you could not go anywhere in the town without seeing a cross. They promised to keep them there until he backed down. He dropped the suit.

  152. Jerome says:

    What if the sign just said, “Christmas” or, “Keep the C in Christmas”? Would they still beef about it? Grow up people and get a life.

  153. Bernie says:

    The athiests are the ones without reason. Who or what do they this is the uncaused first cause?

  154. Norbert G. Ginsel says:

    “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds, At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,”

    Your entitled to your opinion guys, but I think it’s sad. (1) Above the gates to hell, according to dante, is the legend “abandon all hope, you who enter herein”.
    You have already abandoned hope in favor of cold brittle rationality. (2) This shows that atheists are hopeless. (3) In a world without hope, who are you to try to save me from my ideals?

    I think you resent that others have such ideals and dreams, and you are sterile. Thus, you must destroy our faiths if you can. Good luck to you in your rational world, where there are no clowns, no birthday parties, and no unicorns.

  155. David Christensen says:

    My banner says “Pat down Muslims; Not Grandma”

  156. Mauiblax says:

    Keep Xrist in Xmas :)

  157. Holly Cramer says:

    From the Big island of Hawaii we say thank you and all should know that JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS! God Bless the Knights of Columbus for this banner!

  158. Eric Feinberg says:

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Gandhi

    1. Van Bones says:

      Thanks………For Nothing

    2. Sean says:

      so so so so true!!!!

    3. Jason says:

      Wish I was in a caste system like yours, Gandhi. Lots of hope going on there…

    4. F&AM MI says:

      Could not find your Gandhi quote. I did find this on Snopes.

      Wonder what Gandhi thinks of his HINDU Assassin?

      1. Jason says:

        Right on, F&AM MI ! Have a very merry Christmas, Mr. Feinberg.

    5. Momofthree says:

      Your C hrist? Well I’ll be! C hrist died for everyone even Gandhi. C hrist doesn’t just belong to C hristians, he died so everyone will have everlasting life. If you want to live in Hell and be a slave of S atan on Earth AND H ell, by all means turn away from the only way to get to H eaven. That is a choice. We wish you would join us, but most A theists love their way of life with no one to be held accountable to. Well, there is good news. You will have a chance to turn to him if you miss the r apture when all h ell breaks loose on the Earth. I just hope your blinders will be off by then

    6. jasperddbgghost says:

      Someone took a dump in Eric Feinberg’s Kippah..

  159. Dave says:

    If I thought the public school actually taught the truth about the 1st Amendment and the establishment clause I would entertain their objections. However, since not one school I know in the public realm actually does this and since a good amount of them PURPOSEFULLY teach an errant version of it then they can all suffer to prove to me what it actually means. Please read the ACTUAL congre4ssional record on the meaning of the 1st Amendment Establishment clause, read and weap lying liberals…your days of lying about this are actually going into troubled waters.

    August 15, 1789. Mr. [Peter] Sylvester [of New York] had some doubts…He feared it [the First Amendment] might be thought to have a tendency to abolish religion altogether…Mr. [Elbridge] Gerry [of Massachusetts] said it would read better if it was that “no religious doctrine shall be established by law.”…Mr. [James] Madison [of Virginia] said he apprehended the meaning of the words to be, that “Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law.”…[T]he State[s]…seemed to entertain an opinion that under the clause of the Constitution…it enabled them [Congress] to make laws of such a nature as might…establish a national religion; to prevent these effects he presumed the amendment was intended…Mr. Madison thought if the word “National” was inserted before religion, it would satisfy the minds of honorable gentlemen…He thought if the word “national” was introduced, it would point the amendment directly to the object it was intended to prevent.
    (Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United States (Washington D.C.: Gales & Seaton, 1834, Vol. I pp. 757-759, August 15, 1789)

  160. Dawged says:

    The First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion and prohibits the state or anyone from interfering with the the free exercise of the Christian religion…Crosses ,Nativity Scenes,Christmas Tree like it or not this country was founded as a Christian Nation -It is now and ever will be …Thank God and Jesus for the Blessings of Liberty and protect us from our Godless Leaders until they are turned out and though we respect other religions even gutter one’s know well that our Constitution is not compatible with Shara Law or the Koran and it will never be allowed to exist in our Christian-Judea Nation…..Selah

  161. Bruce S. says:

    These wretched, miserable people… I wonder if when they’re on their death beds they bemoan the fact that they didn’t get more Christmas signs or nativity displays taken down – or maybe that they weren’t able to silence more children in schools from singing joyous and fun songs at Christmastime. Wow – what a difference they make to society. Losers.

  162. Mune Shadowe says:

    I tell you what if they believe in the MYTH of separation of Church and State that does not exist in the constitution then they should battle to have government offices open during Thanksgiving and CHRIST mass with NO HOLIDAY pay.

    1. Steven Goodwin says:

      EXCELLENT point…..

    2. Luxomni says:

      Last December 25th I called the ACLU and got an answering machine. I left a message questioning why they were not open on “this day like every other”. I suggest that this year we all do the same. Maybe before and after too. There is no reason why they should not be at work on that day. They are a bunch of hypocrites.

  163. Factchecker says:

    Let’s see….CHRISTmas = CHRIST + MAS.






    Yep. You can’t have CHRISTmas without CHRIST. Next story please.

    1. JJV says:

      Indeed. CHRISTMAS comes from the term CHRIST MASS. a MASS is a celebration so the term CHRISTMAS means to celebrate Christ.

  164. Dave says:

    If you are a liberal and constantly extolling the leftist virtue of anti-Christian bigotry, which is their religion OF COURSE YOU INVENT its unconstitutional.

  165. Leslie says:

    Which messages brings you hope…. the winter soltice… that sounds so depressing & bleak..”.there is only our natural world” that has hate, war, crying, illness,etc. Or the hope that God will wipe away every tear, that God is love, that we- as broken as we are -have been redeemed & may take the gift given to us freely of eternal life that is “glorious!” I’ll take the love, kindness, eternal life, & perfection of a heaven!!! They will know us by our love… so if you know someone ( maybe like Tim Tebow genuinely reflecting God’s love) maybe you know a Christian. Not all members of a church are Christians unfortunately…there is Human Religious behavior… The Pharisees. May God bless you this Christmas Season!!! : )

    1. yama says:

      Amen. Merry Christmas!

  166. me says:

    Funny how liberal journOlists always put controversial, outrage, etc. in headlines about something that offends their left wing views. If a chip on the shoulder atheist did something similar the headline would be different.

  167. M T says:

    The constitution does not guarantee “freedom from religion”. On the contrary, it prohibits the government from restricting the free exercise of religion. A lot of people have it completely backwards these days.

    1. george says:

      The most highly refined liberal art is the creative rewriting of the U.S. Constitution. Don’t like it? Well then, it’s not even there (e.g., Second Amendment). Wish it were there? Well then, it is, by golly! (e.g., “right of privacy” relied on in Roe v. Wade). Thank the Warren Court for getting the ball really rolling with this trashing of our Law of the Land. And watch the libs on the Supreme Court invent all kinds of fancy new theories in their contorted efforts to uphold Obamacare.

  168. felice says:

    winter solstice is older than christianity, which is a development of history and gives meaning to the fact of the winter solstice. i say christmas is honest and honors the brotherhood of man and woman.

  169. ric says:

    Perhaps the reason so many “Christians” are uncomfortable with Christ in Christmas is they are not living righteously. It’s themselves they are uncomfortable with and any notion of answering to a higher power makes them shiver. I say let everyone hang their banners. Each individual feels their beliefs are correct and we may or may not find out in the end. Merry Christmas!

  170. Jubal says:

    CHRISTmas IS a HOLY Day (kiddies, that’s where ‘holiday’ came from). Pity these hate driven liberals cannot get away from their pattern of behaviour. Let’s see how many of these God-hating ‘atheists’ don’t take the HOLYdays off…After all, if they don’t believe in them or chose to honor the Messiah and Creator, why would they want to take those days off?

  171. chaffer says:

    As a Christian, many public venues, media, advertising contain things which offend me, but I don’t somehow think I own the world, nor do I seek to sterilize it from everything I don’t like. The Freedom From Religion people need to stop whining and grow up.

    1. Mary says:

      Thank you! Not only that, but the “Keep Christ in Christmas” sign isn’t offensive and rude as the Ascetic Atheists groups’ is.

  172. Earl Taylor says:

    Why is it always the majority that suffer from these kinds of things…it is time for the people to say “I AM MAD AS HELL, AND AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE”..If the one person that does not like the sign, would just not look at it, things would be fine.,..To that sign hater …MERRY CHRISTMAS….

  173. Chris says:

    Christmas IS about Christ. We stole it from a pagan holiday initially, and then it was founded in the US as a holiday to celebrate the birth of Christ.

    IF you wish to celebrate this holiday WITH us, then you are welcome to do so. However, do not attempt to belittle, malign, edit, or destroy the purpose of the holiday in the process. If that is your view point, then perhaps you don’t need to celebrate Christmas with the rest of us. Perhaps you need to start a holiday of your own, called something else, not Christmas.

    1. Mary says:

      Actually, you have the history of Christmas being celebrated in December mixed up a bit, but that’s not really important.

    2. Ace915 says:

      They have one already on April 1st of every year!

  174. Teddy says:

    If I have to look at abortion clinics and needle exchanges every day when I’m walking around downtown, I think you libs can handle a banner one month out of the year.

    1. Gay Lib says:

      I couldn’t agree more!

      In fact, I will let you sing Christmas carols in school if we can end the war on drugs.

      1. chaffer says:

        “LET you…” ???

      2. Swibbie says:

        Oh how nice. “Gay Lib” is going to “let” me sing Christmas carols in school.s. FYI, I don’t need your permission to do that, I will not ask for your permission to do that, and I WILL do that as much and as long as I like.

        If you don’t like it, don’t listen. Apparently you are good at not listening, because you must have slept through civics class.

      3. jasperddbgghost says:

        Infection: Gay Lib

        Cure: Curb Stomp.

  175. Maggie says:

    Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the only Son of God; His name is Jesus and Amen!

    1. Chumley says:

      I am a son of god.

      1. Stephen Wilkins says:

        Let’s see you do some water walking.

  176. Don Mendonsa says:

    it is OFFENSIVE as an American to have MY American Culture spat upon. CHRISTmas is part of our American culture. Too many are offending us Americans when they try and replace it with “Holiday” Holiday refers to CHRISTmas and New Years combined. There are NO Holiday gifts or Holiday Lights, they are Christmas Gifts and Christmas Lights and Christmas tree etc. Please EVERYONE push back on anyone “all of the media and a large part of commerce” that has removed the word Christmas and offensively replaced it with Holiday. DO NOT let this element disrespect our Culture as Americans. Anyone else is Free to celebrate their culture on OUR land, but they have NO right to try and Change our Culture on Our land !!!

    1. Gay Lib says:

      What about Hanukah?

      I get gifts for Hanukah

      1. snuffy says:

        You’re gay AND a liberal. Boy you really do have issues, lol.

      2. jasperddbgghost says:

        Someone took a dump on this Phaggot’s Menorah.

  177. JustAGuy says:

    What would these “unnamed residents” want? Merry ______mas?


    Not only have the militant atheists been attacking Christianity, but Muslims are getting intio the act too.

    1. CKAinRedStateUSA says:

      Perhaps they could tolerate “Merry Little Holiday,” which is the phrase that Caribou Coffee is pushing.———-And they could play records of Bing Crosby singing that old favorite “Have Yourself a Merry Little Holiday.”———Or “I’m Dreaming of a White Merry Little Holiday.”——–Or they could see that classic movie “A Merry Little Holiday Carol.”———-Or read from the Dr. Seuss classic “How the Grinch Stole Merry Little Holiday.”———-Or attend a reading of that classic poem “Twas the Night Before Merry Little Holiday.”———Or sing that German carol “O Merry Little Holiday Tree.”———-Or sing that 1950s favorite “All I Want For Merry Little Holiday Is My Two Front Teeth.”————-Or . . . . . .

  178. T. Williams says:

    “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,” said Seidel.

    So, Seidel, it’s ok to force your opinion/belief system on others. Double standards is what I call that. As a person who celebrates the Solstice, your message disgusts me.

  179. Gilbert from Arizona says:

    FYI: Lord is the title. As Dr. or Mr. Jesus is Yeshua or Joshua in Hebrew which means God saves. This is Jesus’ only name. Christ is Kristos in Greek which means Messiah. The Christmas Day is only for Lord Jesus Christ. No one else. One and only one holiday here. As a Christian, I really think Christians should celebrate the resurrection of Jesus more than any other. Every man is born, every man dies, but only one, the Son of Man is resurrected. If we didn’t have the resurrection of Christ, then there would be no Christianity. This truly makes Jesus God.
    Merry Messiahmas

    1. Cpl Chaos says:


    2. CKAinRedStateUSA says:

      Agree re: Resurrection Day.———–To most Christians I know, that is the holiest day of the year.———But, alas, without Christmas, whenever the Messiah was born, there never could’ve been Resurrection Day.

  180. Jason says:

    Typical Liberal trash. Another day, another hate story, different topic yet the same philosophy. Why do Liberals hate this country and hate God so much I wonder? They really are very much cut from the same cloth as Al-Qaeda and they don’t even see it.

    1. Caleb Everett says:

      Al-Qaeda is a religious organization. If the town allows the Christ sign over the road shouldn’t they have to allow the Freedom from religion groups sign as well (assuming business owners were ok with it)?

      1. Isaac says:

        You are really crossing the line there! First off, educate yourself, read the Quran and please find a text within it that justifies what Al-Qaeda promotes, you won’t. Talk to any educated Muslim who speaks Arabic and therefore can read the Quran in its original text and you will find Al-Qaeda goes against everything that the Quran stands for.

      2. jasperddbgghost says:

        Someone took a dump in Isaac’s stocking.

    2. george says:

      I think it’s because liberalism IS a religion.

  181. Disgusted says:

    How about, if you’re offended, don’t look at it?
    If you want a winter holiday “kind” of like Christmas, by all means have one and name it something appropriate like “Insane Compulsive Gift Giving Day”.
    This IS a religious holiday, like it or not, no matter how hard you try to secularize it.

  182. Jesus says:

    Hang your sign in Wisconsin, Seidel. In YOUR town. We don’t celebrate the “Season of the Winter Solstice” in Pitman, NJ – In fact, there is no such thing.

  183. Santa Clause says:

    Christmas, it’s a Christian Holiday. Don’t celebrate it if you don’t believe in it. And having a sign celebrating it, and expressing what the holiday is about is not pushing any type of religious views on anyone. I think persecuting people who want to celebrate it for what it is about, the birth of Jesus, is medieval. We can have black history month, even though its exclusive, we can have independence day, which can be taken sensitively by the English, we can have thanksgiving even though we all know what has happened to the native Americans, St Valentine’s day everyone seems ok with… However when it comes to Christmas, the big corporations are out to make money, and they can’t just depend on Christians during the month of December to do it, so they need to appeal to all. And thus the seed is implanted into people’s minds to lobby for this idea by expressing that this holiday is some type of taboo holiday all of a sudden. I just laugh when you need to be tolerant to everyone’s race, sexual preference, and religion…unless it has to do with Christianity or Catholism.

    1. everett says:

      If you are going to argue for Christmas as a christian holiday don’t have a tree, give gifts or tell you kids about Santa or his reindeer. And probably don’t have it during historical Saturnalia. Before Jesus was born there was a roman holiday that occurred the week leading up to dec 25. The holiday involved the pagan tradition of decorating trees, rape and ritual sacrifice. Gifts come from Saturnalia, mistletoe comes from the norse, Santa is a pagan tradition.

      1. Gina says:

        Wrong!!! Do a little research before you leave a reply. Check out Saint Nicholas. He was a wonderful Catholic bishop.

      2. Isaac says:

        That was prior to the Catholic church adopting the holiday and modifying it. You can twist and tweek everything into anything. It is not what the holiday once stood for, but rather what it stands for today and has for a longer time than it existed as a pegan Roman Holiday. All Christians know or atleast should, that it is more likely that Christ was actually born during the late summer or early fall. It does not change the fact that the day has for many years been about the celebration of the birth of christ. Glad to see you know how to use google though there smart one!

      3. jasperddbgghost says:

        Someone took a dump in everett’s stocking.

      4. Jeremy says:

        Who cares about what it was in the past. Totally irrelevant to what people relate to now. Does not change a thing about it being Christmas and what better event to replace a pagan festival of all things. The church has taken hymns that were written according to bar tunes. There have been other similar adoptions like rock music and who knows what else that was used to reach people who were otherwise off the track.

  184. JoeIndustry says:

    “It’s a group endorsing religion over a public right of way,” said Andrew Seidel, the group’s constitutional consultant. If you take this to the next level, this group would object to bumper stickers on cars that use or park on the public right of way. Go Knights of Columbus!

  185. TCS says:

    First-Let the unnamed come forward. The accused has a right to face the accuser. GUTLESS
    2nd.What does Wis have to do with what Pa. does.

  186. Charmaine says:

    Here we go again with the evil one deeds!Poeple need to stop with this Atheists type thinking! Mind your business and move on! You do not own that property where the sign hangs.Whta is the problem if it was hanging there all those years? That is what is wrong in this world! There is too much evil and hate,the evil rearing thier ugly head and it always seems to be around before Christmas comes!we need sprituality more then ever now of all the terrible things happened throughout 2011!Let us pray!

  187. Jen says:

    “Unnamed Residents” complaining?! Don’t have the courage to complain – reminds me of the muslim terrorists that are always covering their faces – true cowards at best

  188. iGreg says:

    I have a gesture I would like to make to the anti-Christians out there who can do nothing but hate Christianity. I like to refer to the gesture as the “fickle-finger-of-fate.”

  189. larsw says:

    If it said let’s keep “Muhammad in Mecca” no one would have noticed or said anything. THAT’s how you know Jesus is real!

  190. omstrat says:

    as usual have no idea what the Constitution says about religion. It simply says there can not be a state religion. It does not say anything about anyone expressing their beliefs publicly. This is always a leftist ploy because they believe the government is God .

    1. Bill Diller says:

      Exactly! Our nation’s sad state is the result of this craziness.

    2. Bruce says:

      No, According to them there is No God

    3. T. Williams says:

      Lots of people love to scream Constitutional Rights when they think it’s convenient, despite not knowing the limitations of those rights.

      It’s simultaneously amusing and disgusting.

    4. attitudijudi says:

      You are correct. There cannot be a a government religion. There is no law in the Constitution that enforces separation of church and state. If there was no Christmas then the whining athiests would not have Christmas vacations or good Christmas vacation movies. I feel very sad for these people. They have no soul.

  191. Jim says:

    It sounds like the representative from the foundation is the one with the hard heart

  192. Eric says:

    Just because the city endorses it doesn’t mean that the constitution prohibits the sign. The constitution was designed to keep the federal government from forcing religious views down our throats. Each state was intended to to have the right to endorse religious views, if they want. Each state was a different sect of Christianity during the drafting of the constitution, no state wanted any other to tell them how to worship.

  193. jake says:

    The millions of Christian Latin American immigrants/aliens now living in the US are laughing at you and your silly predictions.

  194. lvh says:

    Enough already.
    MERRY CHRISTmas :)

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