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Pair Arrested For ‘Lack Of Common Sense’ After Rafting Down Main Street In Manayunk

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Row, row, row your boat, just not down Main Street in Manayunk. That’s the message police are sending after arresting two men who used a raft as an alternate means of transportation down the flooded street Sunday.

CBS 3 reporter Dray Clark caught up with Pete and Pat, best friends and roommates from Manayunk, who paddled their way down the water covered street.

“I thought, Main Street floods a lot, go get a raft and float down,” said Pat, who admitted the idea was his.

“We thought it would be a good time and it turns out it is,” said Pete.

Minutes later, Philadelphia police stopped the men and hauled them away in handcuffs.

When Dray asked why the men were being arrested, he said the officers replied, “for lack of common sense.”

No charges were filed against the boaters.

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One Comment

  1. Mike Gieser says:

    Arrest my house for swimming without a permit…

  2. vali says:

    Police have to put handcuffs and eventually he and current a bit. Ha ha ha U.S. has come from the country of freedom in the largest concentration camp on earth

  3. vali says:

    USA land of freedom? What good joke …

  4. Patient Zero says:

    Next thing you know they’ll arrest you for being ugly, then send your mom a ticket for giving birth to such a hideous child. Hell, these cretins bust little kids’ lemonade stands. So, I wouldn’t put it past’em. Police State, anyone?

  5. Royce says:

    This is why “official tyranny” is a real crime. Should also be charged with kidnapping and false imprisonment. Unfortunately since this town’s prosecutor is no doubt as corrupt as every other town’s prosecutor he’ll still be cop tomorrow. One with absolutely no respect whatsoever for the right of people to go about their lives without coercion. One who will arrest people for no other reason than he doesn’t much like what they’re doing.

  6. Mike Sloan says:

    Mark Matis you’re correct. It’s going to be another civil war and we will get pay back !!

  7. Gary Jones says:

    Pete, so are you going to sue the city for false arrest? if they really admitted that the arrest for for “luck of common sense” rather than some trumped on “assault on officer”, then this should be an easy win.

  8. Casey says:

    Did anyone actually see these knuckle heads on TV? I did. They were in an inflatable raft with toy paddles and they were not sober. If they made it closer to the river they would have had no control over the boat. A rescue squad would have had to go and save them and it would have ended up costing the city thousands, not to mention that those boys could have been seriously injured. They needed to be saved from themselves.

    1. joe baker says:

      I think in all most people forget there’s some raw sewage in those waters these knuckleheads are playing in. Did it ever occur to the fun people that that’s what they’re playing in? I’m gonna guess not.

      1. Philly Girl says:

        Casey, you are obvious NOT familiar with the area where these men were rafting or you wouldn’t haven’t written such a silly comment! They were not in a danger to themselves and not in risking others to save them. If they were a danger to themselves….so was the camera man, but the cops only falsely arrested the rafters. The cops in this case were bullies with a badge and need to loose their jobs. I hope the rafters sue them for false arrest.

      2. Mike says:

        So police officers are allowed to arrest people that are not violating the law?

        Isn’t that a criminal act on the part of the police officers?

    2. Gary Jones says:

      Perhaps they needed to be saved, but government can’t arrest people who did not commit any crime.

      1. Casey says:

        I would say that they could have been charged with several crimes, disorderly conduct, public intoxication, among others, but the police didn’t file charges. I would bet they wouldn’t have been taken in at all if they weren’t acting with such smucks. Don’t make these guys folk heroes when they really just a couple of idiots.

    3. Casey says:

      Philly Girl. I lived in Manayunk for several years. I am also an experienced kayaker and I have kayaked in the Schuylkill in that area. (The Brew Pub offers tours if you would like to experience the river there for yourself since you obviously the one that doesn’t know the area.) They were headed towards a junction with the river and told the reporter they wanted to go all the way down. If they hadn’t been stopped they would have needed to be saved. They deserve the treatment they received.

  9. Van Wehrle says:

    Adapt and improvise is not allowed in the USA. We will save you from yourselves.

    -Your loving Government.

    1. Gary Jones says:

      …and if you dare to mind our efforts to save you, we will put you in jail and maybe even kill you.

  10. Mike Gibson says:

    I think the police should have let them go along their merry way. We might read about them on The Darwin Awards which would be much more humorous than this article. The gene pool gets better every time something like this happens. The police should never stop anyone from doing stupid things that may get them killed. They’ll keep doing stupid things and one will make them a star on The Darwin Awards.

    1. Sean says:

      Stupid as in floating safely down a flooded street on a raft or stupid as in walking down that same flooded street and falling into a manhole and drowning to death because the flood water lifted and removed most of the manhole covers? Im not sure how floating on a raft could be considered dangerous or stupid considering its done by millions of people every single day..

  11. Rocco says:

    Another moron working for Philly P.D. That city is a disaster and nothing short of a national embarrassment. It seems the cops know less about the law than your average 3rd grader! Put this power tripping idiot in jail for 24-months…let’s see if we can”t straighten out this mindless dolt. Simply because you carry a gun does not mean you can do whatever you want. Useless skin sacks…

  12. Dave says:

    If we could arrest everyone who had no “common sense” where would we put all of the “progressive” loony left moonbats? Mental institutions would be the best place of course.

  13. indio007 says:

    Oh ya I almost forgot , if you think this is bad , you haven’t seen anything yet…
    Prepare to be sickened
    The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project

  14. indio007 says:

    This should be a quite lucrative pay day for these too, Aggravated kidnapping , false arrest, false imprisonment, deprivation of right under color of law. The only question now is who is going to foot the bill. The cop or the city?

    1. Gary Jones says:

      Yes, the taxpayers who have democratically elected the officials who are running the police department. It’s the only incentive for those taxpayers to elect more carefully next time.

  15. GF says:

    “Why are you boating when you can be looting?” “You guys have no common sence, you are under arrest”

  16. Frank says:

    Can the author of this piece please follow up and find out what type of punishment these cops will receive? They need to be charged with a crime but I doubt that will happen.

    1. Bruce Finkelstein says:

      They will not be punished. This is, after all, Philadelphia.

  17. Fred Zarguna says:


    Being out-and-about and a law abiding citizen while the Philadelphia police are on patrol shows an appalling lack of common sense.

  18. 1984 says:

    you can’t have a police state without the police.

  19. Ray Shawn McKinnon says:

    How in hell do they think they have authority to do this? This is straight up bull. These officers need to have some repercussions for this obvious overstep.

  20. Hwobs says:

    Arrest the cops for ‘lack of common sense.”

  21. Ben Franklin says:

    My false arrest lawsuit would have, as conditions for settlement, the public apology to me by the cops involved, and the firing of those cops, along with a lifelong ban of them ever working in any law enforcement position.

    Plus a criminal prosecution for assault under the color of authority for being handcuffed and transported.

    1. Real Rick says:

      You sound like an over/under educated lawyer. Your parents wasted all of that money to put another traffic chaser on the streets.

      1. julian says:


      2. texmln says:

        Actually, he sounds like a patriot who values liberty over a bunch of overpaid government flunkies who want to dictate every aspect of our lives.

      3. Ben Franklin says:

        If you’re happy and you know it Rick, clank your chains.

        Nope Rick, just a retired cop who believed my job was to protect people’s rights, not trample them.

      4. Ben Franklin says:

        Real Ricks comment “You sound like an over/under educated lawyer. Your parents wasted all of that money to put another traffic chaser on the streets.”

        Ya see Rick, julian would be a good cop. He has you pegged. Quickly, and accurately.

        If you want to defend the arrest, handcuffing, and forceful transportation of citizens (kidnapping) in a patrol car by police with no violation of law, that is your prerogative.

        But you do argue for your own arrest for “lack of common sense”.

  22. Scott says:

    Fun is illegal in Manayunk. This kind of frivolity and good natured humor will not be tolerated during a time when people are supposed to be suffering. These two will be made a lesson of, to remind people that when bad times hit they are to wallow in self-pity and depression…not HAVE FUN! Thank you, that is all. ;)

    1. Philly Girl says:

      You summed up the arrest perfectly! It was to punish the men for enjoying the aftermath of the storm.

  23. Nik Chipps says:

    So the reporter is standing in these “potentially dangerous water”, these 2 guys have a RAFT, which FLOATS, and somehow THEY are the idiots….yeah…okay. If it was so dangerous, all 3 of these guys wouldn’t be there.

  24. Unreal says:

    I guess the cops wouldn’t have liked it very much when it flooded in our neighborhood a few years ago. many people broke out the jet skis, canoes, and rafts, and everyone had a big party. None of the homes flooded but the streets had a couple feet of water in them. Lasted all of a day and a half. Cops are out of hand anymore.

  25. laughnmatter says:

    If it wasn’t for people with no commonsense in New Orleans for Katrina a lot more people would have died.

    1. Stinky Pete says:

      niiiice! I c what u did there!

  26. Stinky Pete says:

    See, a court of law needs to be invoked every time one of these idiots think they can use Probable Cause as an over-arching blanket of justification. As it is, however, when they realize they’ve overstepped their authority, they come back all magnanimous and begrudgingly “let you off the hook”, and don’t press charged….then let you off with a ‘warning’. Freakin tools.

  27. lukuj says:

    Wow! if people can be arrested for lack of common sense, the whole Obama administration and 95% of all liberals could immediately be arrested.

    1. The Sage Waitress says:

      We will have to wait until Martial Law is declared…

  28. Cara C says:

    What is this, a police state? The police don’t just get to arrest you because they personally don’t approve of what you’re doing. You have to be breaking the law. These two guys weren’t breaking any laws. They were making the most of the situation, having fun and being creative. The police showed much less common sense than they did. What’s next? Arresting kids for playing in the snow? Snowstorms can be dangerous and there’s nothing sensible about making snow angels.

    1. Bruce Hayden says:

      If children and/or their parents are getting citations for setting up lemonade stands then this must be a felony!

  29. Homebrook says:

    So why is it a lack of common sense to raft down main street!! That sounds like a lot of fun to me, and pretty smart too. On what possible basis would it be a lack of common sense? Seems it would show less sense to wade down main street. The only lack of common sense here is the cops, who should arrest themselves. Couple of fools with an inflated sense of authority, sounds like to me.

    1. resistwemuch says:

      Throw the silly reporter in that group too …there names are PETE AND PAT ,,, PEEETE AND PAAAAAAT , Nitwit .

  30. Susanna King says:

    haft the worldi is endanger of being arrested for lack of common sense

  31. Charles U. Farley says:


    1. Michael says:

      If a lack of common sense is illegal, when do we start arresting Obama voters?

      1. Al Koholic says:

        These 2 cops, arresting someone for laws that don’t even exist should be stripped of their badges.

      2. Ernaldo T says:

        That would be more like capital crime stupid.

    2. Jeffrey Gower says:


  32. JusticeorJoke? says:

    where is it in the crimes code of Pennsylvania that rafting on a flooded street is a crime. Since when is lack of common sense a crime? If that’s the case then I guess we all should be arrested right upon exit from the whom. Come on now this is no different than taking kick ball out of the school playground because some one could get hurt Are You Kidding me! What are they thinking can anyone say abuse of power. Clearly these cops had nothing better to do then wade around in water and try to make a name for them selves And Now they are getting LAUGHED AT they need not wonder why people have no respect for them They act and think they are above the law They are pedophiles,stalkers, rapist drug addicts, drunks, spousal batterers peep ‘n’ toms thieves, hood rats they are worse than the criminals they go after.

    1. Jim says:

      You should definitely be put in handcuffs for you spelling….whom????? You’re kidding, right?

      1. Puddinhead says:

        I stopped reading at “whom”

      2. Eric Johnson says:

        Only use “whom” after a preposition.

  33. Rusty says:

    Where are the thugs behind that blue line? We’re waiting for an explanation from you jerkoffs.

  34. Jason Weishaupt says:

    Stupid is now illegal?!? Since when?!?

    JJ The Fed

  35. Bingo says:

    If officers can’t produce a specific law that’s being broken, then people have a constitutional right to travel unhindered as they see fit. Now THAT’S the common sense. Sounds like bullying. A raft ride down a flooded street doesn’t seem inherently harmful to me. It doesn’t outline the ‘lack of sense’ above.

    1. Ric Crouch says:

      Even if it WAS a matter of “lack of common sense”, that’s not illegal! Just police power run amok…

    2. Jim says:

      I agree 100%. It is tyranny coming from the top down. They need to be punished for this. No crime here

  36. MJ says:

    wow i would sue those idiot cops who did not bother to file charges for so much cash it would not be funny.

  37. Ben Dover says:


  38. zemindar says:

    If lack of common sense were a crime then every politician in the nation would be in prison

    1. Michael says:

      Damn. You beat me to it.

    2. Ric Crouch says:

      Based upon this, I sense impending mass arrests in DC

  39. Paul Lundwall says:

    I hope these guys get off! I would have done the same thing and if arrested I would do it again. Perhaps the big deal is that SEPTA didn’t think of this first.

  40. peterkuck says:

    sure sounds like a case of false arrest.

  41. Steven Moshlak says:

    In light of the EPA Director Lisa Jackson declaring storm and flood control channels, in Los Angeles as “traditional navigable waterways,” Main St. is now under the control of the EPA.

  42. TxnByBrth says:

    Dude…you’d be arresting half the country if you could arrest someone for not demonstrating common sense…but that having been said…I’M ALL FOR IT!!!

    1. mediaspork says:

      So, are you OK with cops making up some other reason to arrest/detain you for something not illegal–like they don’t like your shoes or you couldn’t own a car that nice.

  43. jona says:

    we should send those cops down to the Grand Canyon to arrest all of those idiots who are rafting down class 4 rapids, clearly they have no common sense

  44. If ‘lack of common sense’ were a crime, we’d all do time.

  45. Brian says:

    ha! the guy who was arrested commented :)

  46. Rusty says:

    The cops should be shot for violating their civil rights.

  47. anonymous says:

    For every seed story like this there should be 1 bankster indictment, 1 official indicted, 1 DHS/TSA indictment.

    What I am saying is, this story allows CBS to point the gun at the people, ignoring the real terrorists of this country, our officials!!!

  48. anonymous says:

    Another thing, not once did my boat damage any cars, or property, in fact I never TOUCHED any private property (I was floating) and only where neighbors asked did I make land. They just wanted to see how far it went like I did.

    Oh yeah it might have been 87 not 89, But I can’t remember for sure now.

  49. anonymous says:

    Glad they didn’t harass me in 89 in Sacramento, with my Aluminum Canoe, Rain jackets, Wader boots, Walkie-Talkie, Case of Beer, Chips, Bro Box Blasting Iron Maiden! There was a manhole cover off and it had a whirlpool. I thought maybe one neighbor wanted to go for a ride, My Canoe seats three. Nobody was unfriendly. Thinking back, I wonder if Sac PD would have left a turd in my constitutional rights if it were not for all these CBS seed stories which always lead to the establishment making snap law decisions for everyone based on a bunch of poop. Was my boat stolen? No. Was the paddles stolen? No. Was the Beer Stolen? No, Was the Bro Box Stolen? No. Was the tape stolen? No. Was the Rainjackets stolen? No. Was I giving beer to minors? No. Did I charge for a ride? No. Did I have a Drivers License? Yes. So why would I ever consider going to philadelphia doing the same without either guns or my own law enforcement next time? And how many cbs troll psyop postings will drive this story into another bad trend. You should be glad people load their boats up in a flood! You should be unhappy the cops and your local leaders and the CBS TV station don’t know what the US Constitution is. This whole thing is so utterly unacceptable.

    1. Stinky Pete says:

      Your constipational rights are not Joe Nightstick’s problem! Just be happy they can parrot your miranda rights!

  50. Davie Jones says:

    Sounds to me like the only ones lacking common sense are the stupid cops themselves.

  51. nvslurker says:

    If l”Lack of Common Sense” is a crime, then these officers have a lot of work to catch up on in Washingtom DC.

  52. Jim from Boston says:

    “lack of common sense”?????
    If that were actually a law they would have to build a lot of new prisons.
    And elect a lot of new politicians to office to fill all the vacancies.

  53. serr8d says:

    Hmmmph. We’ve kayaked in rivers and streams in the Nashville suburbs, Richland Creek, when it was well above flood stage. We had the cops watching from the banks, bemused, but not interfering. We just played in the holes. I’ll bet this ‘river’ wasn’t even Class 1 rapids.

    These cops need to be waterboarded, or at least made to run a Class 3 or 4 raft run, so’s they know just how much fun it is.

    1. Klaus says:

      I’m surprised the cops didn’t shoot the rafting taxpayers and steal their gear.

      Too bad the hurricane can’t wash away Great Satan’s sins.

      1. R F Carpenter says:

        Ya… If they were in New Orleans the cops would have stolen their stuff AND arrested them for being WHITE!

  54. Tru Leigh says:

    Free Pete and Pat!

  55. walter scott says:

    Can you say “Lawsuit”

  56. Pete Starnes says:

    God forbid it snows and someone breaks out a sled!

    1. Ex Philly Paul says:

      Well put! The best argument so far.

    2. Steven says:

      Agreed…. best comment yet…:)

  57. XPO177 says:

    The correct charge is: Aggravated Stupidity.

  58. vandaldog says:

    If this serves as precedent then I think it’s my civic duty to take a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and arrest our Dear leader!

    These guys are BRILLIANT by comparison.

      1. vandaldog says:

        That IS incredible! They should run for national office, they’d fit right in.

  59. Mike Alright says:

    So I ask the question again. Hay baby-boomers, what was true freedom like before your generation became in charge of this formerly non-nanny-state and formerly free country?

    1. Mr. M.o.t.O. says:

      Um.. “Hey” Mike ‘Not-so Bright’ Alright,

      Freedom was lower unemployment, fewer mortage foreclosures, lower taxes, lower debt, fewer limits on rights and freedoms (duH) and obviously a better education, just for starters.

      1. Sarah says:

        Politicians exist to campaign on promising to fix problems Big Government created previously.

      2. Chris says:

        It’s amazing to me that you and your ilk are so completely obsessed with taxes when you actually have no clue what you are talking about. For all of those better times, taxes were far higher than they are now. And guess what? We had a strong middle class, people could afford to send their kids to college, buy an extra car, and take vacations. Our economy was strong, and the wealthy were still….you guessed it – wealthy. If you want to gripe about the economy, fine. But at least try to have the facts on your side.

      3. JapesMacFarland says:

        Hey Chris, when you say, “you and your ilk are obsessed with taxes” do you know what you are actually saying? taxation actually mean a confiscation of a person’s earnings, this ultimately backed with violence. What a larger State means in part is to take more of our earnings because elites (literally) believe they can do better with someone else’s earnings than the earner can (obviously).
        So clearly it becomes more and more obnoxious, the more the earners start to suspect that these elites are not only wasting the money they’ve earned, but that in doing this they are also creating dependents via a multitude of entitlements for, basically, power.
        If you think about it, the left, by definition is the party that wants more power, and the right (in the US) is the party that wants less power. If I came from Mars and saw these two parties (w/out hearing the years of demonization of the right from the left) I’d think one would be a fool to vote for the Left for this reason.

      4. JapesMacFarland says:

        Also Chris, remember, the more people become dependent on the government the more likely they will vote for the party that supports them. This is a fact, not theory. So when I say that the left creates multitudes of entitlements, fosters the attitude of ‘what I’m owed’ rather than ‘what I can offer to community’ and that they do this for power, I mean they do it for votes. The evidence is in after 40 odd years of the left having almost complete control in certain areas of american life. The schools have gotten consistently worse since the DOE from Carter (in spite of spending ever more money) and the black community has been absolutely devastated by the left, in every measurable area. The road to hell and failure, and misery, has been paved by the Left’s so called good intentions. Grow up.

  60. notasocialist says:

    since when is it illegal to raft in water…
    we plan to take our kayak out if it floods in seabrook, tx again..

    tell the east coast nazi police where to go…
    thank god i live in texas

  61. Maxwell says:

    “Lack Of Common Sense”

    If this charge were actually legal prisons would be full of Obama voters.

  62. Stefan Lazarus says:

    If they are arresting people for lacking comon sense, then may I suggest they start in Washington?

    1. walt says:


    2. Raymond Kegley says:


  63. Early Ardmore says:

    Degenerate cops that need to be sued.

  64. Mike Sloan says:

    I kept a special rubber raft in my basement. Used it when hurricanes hit Mississippi coast. I would wait until the storm knocked down a bar’s walls and get the cases of booze that then floated out. My basement was the “in” place for all the neiborhooood kids. There was no “legal” drinking age because the whole state was dry and we had many bars that paid kickback money to stay open. Great times. How freedoms have been lost. Shame on us.

    1. Magpie says:

      When, exactly, was the entire state of MS dry? I’m almost 50 and it certainly hasn’t been that way in my lifetime.

  65. Constance says:

    Would this be the same Philadelphia with multiple racially-motivated attacks in recent months? Seems to me there are bigger issues to be concerned with than a couple of guys having fun on a flooded city street. At least they weren’t picking out innocent people to pummel into the ground.

    1. Art Vandelay says:

      No kidding. You’d think curbing mob violence would be a little more of a priority than harassing law abiding rafters (and law abiding gun owners). Time to put down the donuts and pick up the Constitution, morons.

  66. jay says:

    great news item for

  67. Tim says:

    Trying to get to key west. Leave them alone, government.

  68. tony says:

    The police should have arrested the reporter for lack of common sense

    1. 51 Phantom says:

      How about for lack of a story.

  69. anonymous says:

    these cops are idiots, do they arrest or stop people from going down the colorado rapids?

  70. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

    False imprisonment and kidnapping. Sue these mentally defiant thug cops that think they own you. —

  71. Mike says:

    Bad Cops No Donut!

  72. Joe says:

    Should send these cops down to Charlotte during the Democrat convention… they will need to bring thousands of handcuffs though.

  73. Dookie Mcbuttass says:

    The police have a saying “You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride”. That will continue to be a common saying until citizens sue for their rights

    1. John P. says:

      that’s the best name I’ve seen in a long time……

  74. JapesMacFarland says:

    Those cops should be arrested for abusing their entrusted power, and yes, lacking common sense. You don’t put another human being in bondage (handcuffs) unless you have a very good reason! For once, if these guys sue, I am all for it.

  75. Bryan Cook says:

    With stories like these, I request that the article list the supervisor’s email address so that the public can let them know directly how we feel about their abuse of authority.

  76. chloe says:

    stupid cops.

  77. villa rios says:

    If lack of common sense is the charge, every public union thug in the country should be jailed.

    1. Dave says:

      Hell everyone that voted for Obama should be arrested if lack of common sense is the crime!

    2. Don says:

      The obamantion should also be arrested – and the 62 million fools who voted for it.

  78. George Johnson says:

    So I expect them to start arresting obama the lawless voters also??!

  79. Smitty says:

    These cops should be charged with false arrest and removed from the force. And the rafters should sue them as well.

  80. Dr clark says:

    LOL, if thats a lack of common sense, about 95% of this country needs to be arrested along with 100% of our elected officials/cops/judges etc…

    1. Mark Hillyard says:

      The Union democrat , Sonora, CA. asked the question…”What can be done about all the deaths happening in Yosemite.” The popular answer was “Get more people with common sense to visti the Park.”
      However I don’t think playing in non dangerous water should be sited as a lack of common sense. Sounds like fun to me. Cops should go to Humble College for a refresher on humanity.

  81. The Hoff! says:

    Seems to me it was safer in the raft than standing out in the water doing a report.

    1. 51 Phantom says:


  82. Scott says:

    These two have one hell of a case against the police department. This is like winning a small lottery.

    1. yarply says:

      Yes. Some would say they were forcibly detained and kidnapped. Both felonies.
      In fact seeing there was more than one cop involved you could maybe even throw in a charge for conspiracy to commit intimidation. conspiracy to commit an unlawful arrest.

  83. Bob Kutz says:

    So they arrested the men knowing they had nothing to charge them with?

    That is abuse of power.

    These officers should be fired from their jobs and arrested for kidnapping.

    1. Bryan Cook says:

      I concur.

    2. yarply says:

      I guess we should go easy on the cops. I mean really, they had the whole rest of their shifts to go, what else were they supposed to do the rest of the day?

  84. steve says:

    Lack of common sense??? Some would say it shows a lack of common sense to produce more children than you can afford to raise! How about arresting all those single moms-by-choice out there??

  85. netmarcos says:

    Though I have often wished for a law against felonious public idiocy, there is no such statute on the books. Even if there were such a law, i think that it could more aptly be applied to the police than to our two gleeful rafters.

  86. Mannie says:

    “No charges were filed.”

    IOW, they were kidnapped by criminals.

  87. chuck in st paul says:

    Obviously ‘common sense’ is an oxymoron, and these cops ARE out of control.

  88. FoundingFather says:

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

  89. miller says:

    Hey MorganGray!
    The people who died in Pittsburg were in a minivan. Guess what the recuers used … inflatable boats!
    Even firefighters can be losers.

  90. Lysol Motorola says:

    What is it about hurricane flood waters that causes the authorities to act like jack booted Gestapo. In New Orleans, they came by in boats and forcibly took lawfully owned firearms from peaceful citizens. So much for the Second Amendment. Here, they deprived to fun loving jerks of an afternoons thrills. So much for not depriving someone of their liberty. So what that they were not charged. What the hell could they be charged with???

  91. Tony says:

    Im on Long Island and the police have blocked off the beach access after the storm, why can’t I go walk the beach that my tax dollars pay for, not risking anyone, the storm is gone, go arrest criminals. I don’t need another set of parents that I pay for telling me what I can and can not do, like go for a walk on the beach after a storm.

  92. Winston Smith says:

    “First they came for the idiots, and I did not speak out because I was not an idiot”…….

    1. FoundingFather says:

      Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

      1. KJN says:

        I’d speak out for you but I was an idiot they missed.

      2. Winston Smith says:

        Here, here!

      3. Winston Smith says:

        you are correct….

  93. Zacharaia says:

    Has the USA become a war mongering, police state, prison industry of a nation?.

    1. Lee says:

      Yes …

      And the number of folks writing here to defend the actions of these cops proves that we have a very good chance of staying a police state.

      1. Tom says:

        Count again!

  94. James says:

    Could the police overstep their bounds even more? What makes more sense, rafting safely and in a non-dangerous manner down a flooded street or driving in a vehicle, getting stuck, and requiring a tow truck to get out? The police officers ought to be reprimanded for this. I mean if they were going down on a motorized rowboat terrorizing the neighbor that’s different but this was actually pretty dumb on their part.

  95. Paul says:

    Common Sense would say when there is flooding get into something that floats. Get a good attorney, boys, and you will be home owners rather than renters.

  96. Rick O'Shea says:

    Seems to me the cops need to start arresting each other.

  97. robobbob says:

    “arrest serves as a message to residents”
    wow, nothing tyrannical about that statement.
    honestly, walking down the street in certain neighborhoods in numerous American cities is far more dangerous than what those guys were up to. Do we start locking up pedestrians now to encourage safer neighborhoods?

    1. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

      ROBO – Yah, let zis be a LESSON to zee common peoples; and iff you evah try a stunt like zis again, ve vill shoot your mother und your dog, in the head, then hang their rotting bodies from a lamp post in zee public square. POur messages vill NOT be iknored!!

  98. letmepicyou says:

    These men’s rights were clearly violated. In my opinion, they should seek the advice of an attorney right away.

  99. Alan Andrews says:

    “The arrest serves as a message to residents in flood affected areas – this is serious situation and safety should be top of everyone’s mind.”

    Cf. Anarcho-tyranny.

    1. Curtis Quico Reed says:

      no kidding! that’s what I thought. they were endangering no one but themselves, and a raft on a flooded street sounds reasonable to me. I once canoed down the street after a hurricane flood in Florida, water was about 8″ deep, it worked perfectly.
      I seem to recall folks in New Orleans getting around in little canoes etc also. Should they have been arrested?
      police can be really stupid sometime.
      by the way: since when was a law passed that anyone can be arrested for not “using common sense”? How is that defined? For example, I think it’s common sense to turn off the bathroom light when I’m done, my kids still don’t understand that. can I call 911 and have an officer come ticket them for the offense?

  100. AZD2 says:

    Send these boys to Washington DC. They’ll have a field day. especially if they can get in the white house

    1. Bob says:

      A perfect example of why so many tv commercials portray men as buffoons.

  101. Me says:

    Nanny state at work!

  102. sean patriot says:


  103. Kent Beuchert says:

    Seems to me the rafters were safer than the Police wading after them. I’d say Philly streets are a whole lot safer underwater than when dry.

  104. Rick says:

    If you can get arrested for lack of common sense, how come they aren’t arresting liberals everywhere??

  105. Lisa says:

    What is less common sense than arresting people in violation of their rights?

  106. Ken Drift says:

    What a bunch of BS, police are out of control these days. How about looking for some flash mobs or something useful philly? Pathetic.

  107. not sure says:

    better arrest the prez and the democratic caucus as well then

  108. weeone says:

    Why? leave them alone and they will either improve or cleanse the gene pool.

  109. rawheadrex says:

    Okay, you majority from the 2008 general election, hands on the wall and spread ’em. You are under arrest for felony lack of common sense. If you cannot afford an attorney, the winner of the election will appoint one for you. Better tell A-G Holder to expect a lot of calls.

  110. chas says:

    there will always be idiots, but when we take freedoms from everyone because of a few idiots it’s called tyranny, and liberty dies a little death. when people are ok with the little death of liberty because they are “smarter” than the rest of us, liberty can erode in the blink of an eye.

  111. Bill says:

    Send those cops to D.C. those folks have no common sense at all!.

  112. Ken Pittman says:

    If you can arrested for this..why are all the liberals not waiting for the bail bondsman right now!??! ;P

  113. Steve says:

    I KNOW MY RIGHTS !!!!!!!!

  114. Les Lovett says:

    Oh Sh it ! If Lack Of Common Sense is against the law we’re gonna need more jails & prisons.

  115. lickielou says:

    you gotta be kidding me? why didn’t they arrest the tv crew for walking in the water too?

  116. Kenneth Karolchik-Griffin says:

    the police officers should be FIRED for lack of common sense!!

  117. Jefffey Doobin says:

    string them up in chains

    lock them inthe stocks in the town square and pelt them with rotten food

    exact retribution on them for their heinous crimes

    its a great day for america

    1. Shaun says:

      Hahahaha. Perfect.

      Sieg Heil America…

  118. XPhiladelphian says:

    While virtually every state on the Eastern seaboard has declared a state of emergency, millions of people are without power, the flood waters are still rising, many have lost their homes, some have lost their lives, the police and emergency responders are fighting against all odds to save lives, and these two asshats decide to “have fun” in a flood-devastated area. And to most of the commenters here, these two losers are the “good guys”. Not the cops who are trying to save lives. Says a lot about our society today.

    1. Angry Revolutionary says:

      It says that perhaps people still have liberties and the freedom. And it wasn’t devistated.

      1. MorganGray says:

        No, people are still using that really awful MicroSoft product.

        They haven’t pulled Vista off the shelves yet.

        Oh… wait … you mean devastated!

        And what about the liberties and freedom of the firefighters and EMS workers who might have had to go out and save these bozos if their little jaunt turned bad?

      2. Angry Revolutionary says:

        @Morgan. Seriously is that the best you have, pointing out spelling errors? You sound like the type that has never taken a risk in his life let alone understand the principles of Founding Fathers . Perhaps you can question the common sense of some police officers who speed down side streets in the summer, while children play, with no sirens going or perhaps you can, in your wisdom and expertise explain why bike cops ride the wrong way down heavily traffic occupied streets.

      3. MorganGray says:

        No, Angry, I *HAVE* taken risks, if you read some of my other posts, I was a volunteer firefighter for most of my life. Volunteer! Not paid to take risks, doing it because it is the RIGHT thing to do. I do not know to how many fires, wrecks, missing persons searches, dog calls, and other emergencies I responded in those days. I have seen exactly this kind of stupidity, and I understand how what seems a harmless lark can cause the lives and safety of firefighters to be put at risk.
        What risks have you taken. other than those which serve your own vanity?
        And, I understand the principals of the Founders rather well. Which ones do you want to discuss?
        Let’s see… He has forbidden his governors to pass laws … like the Leftist courts which overturn lawfully passed measures with which the ACLU disagrees?
        He has erected a multitude of New Offices and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. How many Czars? Or, a SWAT team raid on a guitar manufacturer?
        He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our laws. Kyoto Protocol? Scottish Law? Do those ring a bell?
        For imposing Taxes on us without consent
        For suspending our own Legislatures… Wisconsin?

        Do you want to discuss this further?

        How about the Founders intent that only Land Owners should be allowed to vote because they were Invested in the Nation and its Prosperity?

        How about the original intent and meaning of the term “wall of separation?” That the State should stay out of the church’s business, not that the Church has no place in government?

        Do you want to discuss more points?

        How about “Who is the Militia? I tell you sir it is the whole of the people?”
        How about “Among the rights of the colonists are these; First a right to live; Secondly to liberty; Thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.”
        How about “These may best be understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are clearly promulgated in the New Testament.”
        How about “the supreme power cannot justly take from any man any part of his property, without his consent in person or by his representative.” Kilo Decision?
        Or “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, not the *FREE EXERCISE THERE OF* (emphasis mine), or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press (Fairness Doctrine / ‘regionality’), or of the right of the people to peaceably assemble (FACE Act), and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
        “No warrants shall be issued without probable cause” Do you want to ask Gibson guitars about “probable cause”?

        Shall I go on?

    2. JonDoe says:

      Well as long as they are trying to do the “right” thing, I say we let the police do anything they want. Eh?

      Google “The Tyranny of Good Intentions.”

    3. Joeblato says:

      I see you’re a sucker for the hype.


    4. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

      Yah, they saved their lives by handcuffing them! Surprised they didn’t further save their lives by tasing them or shooting them in the back of the heads. That would teach them a lesson.
      Seig Heil! All hail der life-saving warriors who faced down the unarmed rafting men, thus ending the danger to society.
      Back to the donut shop now.

    5. marty says:

      Fighting against all odds to save lives? My, aren’t you the dramatic one. I guess arresting a couple of innocent young adults paddling through 1 foot of water was a grand, life-saving act of heroism.

    6. GimmeABreak says:

      You’re kidding right? Do you spend a lot of time yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off your lawn?

    7. Curtis Quico Reed says:

      You are soooo right.

      The cops really should go DOOR TO DOOR searching for and arresting anyone who is having a hurricane party instead of nervously sitting on the couch with a lifepreserver and a helmet on. It shold be understood that during a storm, all citizens shall be forced by law to demonstrate strict seriousness.

      if there is a disaster anywhere in the country, we should all sit quietly in remorse. disobediance to the anti-levity laws shall be punishable by incarceration.

      the “ass hat” is you, dingaling.

    8. TNinfidel says:

      You’re living in the wrong country XPhiladelphian. China, Russia, or Iran would suit you better.

    9. Pat Rathke says:

      Well first of all they say Main street floods a lot, secondly it didn’t appear to be devistated to me, You cannot take away personal freedoms on a whim. There is no law on the books for lack of common sense or idiocy. A reporter is standing in water just above his knees and these two guys are a problem? Besides to the average person it would appear these two just were wanting a little fun. And were prepared in case it got worse to help out their neighbors. Remember the scense of severe flooding where people who had rafts or rowboats helped take in supplies and move people. My God what has this nation come to? I am 60 yrs old and I can tell you that my generation would think it is good fun. It sounds like the authorities there are running a loonie bin for the Gestapo.

  119. demoncat4 says:

    true the guys should not have been rafting in that area. but last i checked no one has ever been arrested for some lack of common sense for other wise the u.s would be a giant prison wonder how long before the cops have to let the two rafters go. for doubt full he can charge them for lack of common sense as a crime.

    1. Do Not Consent says:

      Got news for you. Look around, you are living in a giant prison.

      1. Angry Revolutionary says:

        I couldn’t have said that better myself @ Do Not Consent

      2. Shaun says:

        Perfectly said.

  120. James Babb says:

    Sue them personally. Take their houses.

    1. Doug says:

      Their homes were probably underwater before the flood.

  121. Mike says:

    Pete and Pat are heroes

  122. Bob BoDean says:

    The cops are nowhere to be found near Broad & Walnut while a hate crime was being committed by a flash mob but they can arrest 2 guys on Main Street on a raft. Go figure.

    1. Silvia Wilkins says:

      What about the skateboarders as the mother of a dead flashmobster yells wearing a big yellow sunday hat over his casket.


      1. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        ooooh those skateboarders are terrible people. they wear loose clothing and don’t wear helmets!

        arrest them all! send them to the re-education camps to be built by FEMA somewhere in the Black Hills of the Dakotas!

    2. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

      Hey BOB – don’t be crazy, man! If they had gone to the flash mob, why, they could have been HURT!!! Better to play it safe and cuff those rafting fiends, You know what they say – you let them ride a plastic raft one day, and the next day they are out raping, looting and killing for fun.
      Gotta nip it! Nip it in the bed!!

  123. ct2 says:

    considering how often you do see people in rafts or canoes getting around the only way they can during floods, even if this was just a joy ride, WHO CARES?

    the didnt endenager anybody else, but the cops may of let somebody else die while dealing with these two…….

    if you are gonna arrest these two thrill seekers, dont forget to set up at any bungee cord jumping places or sky diving landing zones.

  124. freudrick says:

    Once a pig always a pig!

  125. Angry Revolutionary says:

    And since cops are arresting people for violating common sense, I have a list of people that work in City Hall that they can start with.

    1. Shaun says:

      I think we should save ourselves a ton of work, and list the people in office that we shouldnt charge…

  126. Angry Revolutionary says:

    This is actually just two guys having some fun. Americans have become a deluge of wussies. Okay so maybe it wasn’t the smartest thing to do but they weren’t harming anyone but perhaps themselves. At least they weren’t cowering in their living rooms. They improvised, they adapted and they overcame. Too bad the cops didn’t use any common sense and realize that this is a false arrest and an abuse of power

  127. Bart says:

    Did these guys forget your boating inside the city? There are electrical lines that maybe broken in the water?

    1. ct2 says:

      RUBBER raft mean anything to you?

      they had less to fear then the cops who waded in to arrest them did.

    2. Ray says:

      Even if the water were electrified, electricity always follows the path of least resistance to the ground, which in this case was straight down through the floodwater.

  128. Annie Fox-Smith says:

    Was Noah an Idiot for being prepared to escape flooding with his ARC?

    1. TNinfidel says:


  129. Annie Fox-Smith says:

    Ok Was Noah an idiot for being prepared with his Arc to escape flooding?

    1. Anne says:

      Because…this is the same?

    2. RNiles says:

      I thought Noah used an ARK?

    3. Wastrel says:

      So, now you want us to believe that these guys had a message from the Divine telling them to do this?

      1. Devil's Advocate says:

        I don’t think that’s what she meant. Maybe you should think about what the person is saying before you go and make a snooty response.

    4. Gob Bluth says:

      In geometry, an arc is a closed segment of a differentiable curve in the two-dimensional plane.

      1. TNinfidel says:


  130. troy says:

    If they were charged with obstructing a highway as the news later reported after their release, then they certainly can’t be convicted because under the PA criminal statutes, a person can be convicted only if they “obstruct” a highway. And under the legal definition of “obstruct” the person must have rendered the highway “impassable” and being that they didn’t render the highway “impassable”, they can’t be convicted.

    1. Pat-- N.E. says:

      I agree… Lets arrest the flooding water.. Then arrest the officers the stopped traffic(the 2 men rafting)! The men were fine at least they had a raft unlike the reporter standing in the middle of it!

      1. ct2 says:

        careful what you suggest to the law enfocrement, DA and courts.
        arresting water would cost billions annually and be very ineffective, but i could say teh EXACT same thing about marijuana and they keep on trying with it.

  131. Keith - NY says:

    Let’s see flooded area, boat, few if any home, could be an easy target for looters.
    Typically once you leave, your not allowed back until it’s clear.
    Bottom line they had no “official” business being there.
    No one ever gets in over their heads and needs help until, they do!

    1. Shaun says:

      And next, we’ll start arresting people for just “taking a drive”. Because they dont have any “official” business being there. After all, they’re adding to traffic, emissions, using fuel, and are possibly creating a dangerous situation for others just by driving. Also, they are at risk for getting injured by driving, and possibly getting hit by someone else. The ONLY way that anyone should be allowed to drive, is if they are driving to work, or going to pay their taxes, so that the welfare recipients can keep buying their crack. An expected response from the worst lib / police state in the world. Sieg Heil.

      1. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

        SHAUN – you are right – Al Gore is working on a way to be sure that each of us gets permission form our betters, to use our vehicles with ‘common sense’.
        Of course, now that I think about it – the rafters were totally green – using no petrocarbon products, utilizing natural technology and leaving no emissions, unless one of them farted… in which case the cops would have been sniffing the air like Smokey the bear, with smiles on their faces. Jawohl!!

  132. Damian says:

    You would think the police would have better things to do with the flooding and everything else going on then to arrest two guys trying to make the best of something that is very depressing to alot of people. Well all I can say is good for common sense for the police again in there line of duty.

    1. BC says:

      You could not be more WRONG. If these two morons had gotten stranded somewhere they would have endangered the lives of rescure workers who could be helping people really in trouble, not morons like these two idiots.

      1. Pete says:

        In all fairness, we were just having fun. I think your comment was a little harsh. There was no danger. We were in a foot of water.

      2. Becky says:

        You know what? I lived in Manayunk about fifteen years ago, and people would raft all the time on Main St. when it would flood. No one thought anything of it and the police wouldn’t have dreamt of arresting anyone over it. It’s only because of our society becoming overly hysterical, and the media feeding the frenzy of hysteria, that these two were arrested. I don’t think there was much danger there of being sucked into the river; it’s a pretty contained area.

      3. Stefanie says:

        you guys are awesome. whats your last name pete or pat, I wanna be your facebook friend!

      4. Ralph says:

        Finally someone (Becky) said something sensible in this discussion. Thank you, Becky.

      5. Doug says:

        So let’s all do what is right. Never leave your home, never have any fun, because fun could be dangerous OMG! We should all be agorophobic and be safe huddled in the corner of our house. Some of you are just idiots.

      6. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

        IF…. IF…. IF….. and IF elephants could fly, you would have to wear your flowery hat under your tinfoil helmet…. if people can only justify the tyrannical actions of cops by making up ‘what if’ scenarios, then that alone points out the foolishness of the cops actions.

    2. Al says:

      Hey Pete & Pat – You guys rule! Sorry the dumb cops interrupted your trip to the Keys. It’s a sad day for America. Listen, one of my best friends is a GREAT lawyer. I’m sure he’d love to go to bat for you. Get in touch with me and I’ll hook you up.

  133. Tyred says:

    Maybe the polce should have looked the other way when they first noticed those idiots….they definitely should have ignored them had they become stranded or whatever. Anyone who is stupid enough to ignore the warnings that have been broadcast practically non-stop for two days should be permitted to suffer the consequences of their actions.

  134. Joe2 says:

    If 2 guys want to take their boat down main st. I say let them! The police should warn everyone though that, (like in Atlantic City) if you need help while areas are flooded, don’t expect help for a long time. America is WAY too safety obsessed, and while emergency notifications are important, if people want to disregard it, let them do it at their own risk.

  135. Blues Traveler says:

    Nothing new here. The Philadelphia cops need to be taught once and for all that they enforce the law that is, not the law the way they would LIKE IT TO BE. ANd they wonder why the public largely regards them as a bunch of criminals with badges.

    1. Ralph says:

      I think all police forces throughout all of history have been sort of like criminals with badges. On balance, they do a great deal more good than harm, but they do have the ability to abuse their powers, and, like most humans in most situations, they sometimes take advantage of that. It is not a job function any society can do without.

  136. Jim Sylvester says:

    Maybe they should arrest the reporter for walking there too!! I swear, it’s like we don’t even live in the US anymore!

  137. There is a state of emergency and they chose to disregard it. If something were to happen to them, Emergency responders would have to put their own lives at risk in order to try to save those two men who thought they were being funny. That’s recklessly endangering the lives of those volunteers and anyone else who might really need the help of those rescuers.

    1. bobby says:

      God forbid people have a little fun. Once again the news people hyped an event that turned out to be a dud. It was no worse than a major thunder storm. If it was so dangerous to be out in a “state of emrgency” than why are news reporters out there.

    2. Snarky says:

      Yeah, what’s next? Idiots climbing mountains for the fun of it?

    3. dan says:

      if if if.. i love it. go call the waaaaaahbulance prick, america is a bunch of overly saftey conscience wussies.

    4. Jason says:

      Whatever happen to giving a polite warning first or at most a ticket?

      If there first thought was to arrest someone for just doing this then I can’t imagine how they’ll react when an actual crime occurs. These cops should be mentally re-evaluated. Arresting someone in this situation should have been there last resort.

    5. Kenneth Karolchik-Griffin says:

      disregarding liberty and freedom for security, means you have neither!! welcome to the police state!!

    6. Theresa Campbell says:

      Yes. The neurotic wussies are really becoming too much. “for our own good”. They would like us all to sit home in fear of everything and take prozac . I am a girl who has sailed and kayaked year round in New York harbor for 10 years. I laugh when ‘a well meaning nerd’ tells me to wear a helmet when riding my little fold up bike.

  138. Irene says:

    I didn’t know lack of common sense was illegal. If that is the case, shouldn’t they arrest all of us at one point in our lives. Don’t we all experience that.. Seems like the cops are the ones lacking since there are real criminals out there and this is the best they can do. SERIOUSLY!!

  139. Jenny says:

    Even if it doesn’t stick, the arrest itself can be damaging. Some jobs or certifications can ask if you’ve ever been arrested at all (even if not charged or convicted).

    The police are the ones lacking common sense here. They really need to think twice before stepping on personal freedom too much — even the freedom to be stupid. They work for us.

    We cannot let ourselves end up in a nanny state or police state. I have no problem with them yelling at these guys and telling them they could get sick from bacterial contamination in the waters and if they get into a bind, in stretching rescue resources. But, arresting? Come on!

    Please keep thinking about what kind of country you want us to become, people.

  140. joe says:

    what a joke. Go find some real crooks “tough guys”. Hell, lack of common sense? The world is full of people with no common sense but now to arrest them. Sounds like the boaters hav a case against the cops in my legal opinion.

    1. Doug says:

      I agree. Sue the hell out of the cops personally..It’s not illegal to be stupid.

  141. Egon Venkman says:

    If lack of common sense was a valid reason to arrest someone, 90% of Philadelphia would be in prison.

    1. Slobyskya Rotchikokov says:

      and 100 per cent of Washington DC

  142. Buford says:

    Once again the media should be arrested! they cry wolf for every storm! next time people may die because no one will trust these idiots!

  143. Pat-- N.E. says:

    Its uncalled for. They were just having fun and were not in a dangerous area although they should have had life vests.. If they are going to arrest those two, i think it is only fair to arrest anyone that is also walking or driving.. And they just showed a furniture truck moving police baracades so he could continue to drive! He should definatly get arrested! Its wrong. He should have gotton it out like everyone else had the opportunity. Why is he special?

    1. Pat-- N.E. says:

      And yes i know he had police permission… Just like everyone else he had more then 24hrs to move his stuff

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